Boxster or S2000…?

MarkN

A 2.7 987 popped up over the last few days, looked ok in the pictures. Went to view today and absolute dirt in reality and looking for strong money. Corroded alloys, faded headlights, filthy interior with wear and tear marks all over it. Damn Brexit.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122695260#Comment_122695260

Sorry you wasted your time. You'll be paying big tax on a 987 for a long time. Would you not aim for a 986 instead? The early ones will go vintage tax in just 2 years time, this will very likely raise their value too.

MarkN

Not against a nice 986 at all. In fact I kind of like that they’re the first Boxster ever.

MarkN

https://oldcolonelcars.co.uk/listing/porsche-968-sport-preview-advert/?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAab2a0lKvLvDcgn2uANm5eEgokTDFW0X3LSeiE-zj7W9B06JV_6DhNdz0Xw_aem_uxWAjXNP-HQlyLCtvrrHxA

hmmm…

Won’t be 30 until Feb 2025 so the €200 VRT wouldn’t apply until then.

MarkN

interestingly, this was first reg in NI. Presume that would suffice for no customs etc albeit currently in England…

https://www.dukeoflondon.co.uk/product-page/2001-porsche-boxster-s-manual

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122698940#Comment_122698940

You could pick these up 10 years ago for half nothing. I think they are now overpriced. They are basically a further developed 924 with half the engine from a 928. Also the VRT might be a flat €200 fee when it hits 30, but you still owe 10% duty and 23% VAT on top of the invoice value. Unless you go the new NI route

MarkN

On the revenue doc is says previous owner but I wonder would the fact that the 986 was first reg in NI supersede that..

unkel

Finding a copy of the V5C with the previous NI owner on it will be tricky methinks. And you would still owe VRT, which can be substantial. I would primarily look for Irish reg cars if you want a Boxster

MarkN

rang VRT, only the most recent owner counts anyway.

MarkN

not really a classic but the search has taken a slight twist… maybe. I can insure a 2007 Boxster S fully comp with Aviva for €486 but now that a 997 911 has been thrown into the mix, Aviva won’t provide a quote online and the cheapest I’ve found this evening is Axa at €1600!! Anyone any experience of insuring them? I’ve a clean record, no points, max NCB etc

Barrett still covering them do you know @unkel ?!

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122715624#Comment_122715624

You know the answer to this Mark. You have just got to ring them all, brokers included. For non-classic insurance of performance cars, for years I got the best deal through Glennon's

kdevitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122715624#Comment_122715624

Autoline insured any Porsche over 10 years of age as classic a few years back - assuming they still do, it might be an option if you have another car there.

Never went through the full process of getting a quote on a 911 - the cayman was easy to insure online, nowhere would offer an online quote on a 911. Didn't really understand it myself - no major difference in value or performance at the time.

MarkN

got €1300 through the crowd Unkle mentioned.

Went to view a 987 Boxster with 15,000 miles on the clock also today.

The 911 certainly feels the more special of the two compared to the Boxster, the latter feeling much lighter but for the use it will get, I’m not sure if the 911 is worth the extra outlay. A better investment perhaps though. Boxster is a much fresher car but I did love the 911 also.

Head is quite wrecked to be honest 😀

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720002#Comment_122720002

From my research into the IMS bearing failure issue, it is more prevalent the bigger the M96/M97, the more likely the failure. Also happens more on very high and very low mileage cars. And far less likely on cars that have been tracked. The oil must have splashed around beautifully on those 😁

Mine was an average mileage (90k miles) 2.5l car, which only had a chance of about 2-3% of developing the issue, so I did not bother getting the preventative maintenance done

MarkN

yeah it’s a bit of a maze - this particular Boxster anyway. The 911 has endless receipts and history and is an Irish car from new. IMS has been done, checked for scoring and is not present.

The Boxster is aesthetically a brand new car. I actually can’t believe the condition of it. There is not one single receipt or inch of paperwork to document a service but it cannot have not been serviced since 2007! I’ve driven it and there’s no metallic tapping, engine and exhaust sound exactly as they should. It had some water damage in a UK Porsche dealership when it was a brand new car so is Cat D/N. Current owner barely drove it from the MOT paperwork mileage.

It would be a car that if I did decide to buy would be going straight to a specialist to have perishable items replaced and a full service carried out.

A lot of the above on the 987 would make me just say it’s not worth the gamble but there’s just so little wear I can’t help but wonder…

a very helpful link for anyone else considering one

https://www.hartech.org/images/downloads/Hartech%20Buyers%20Guide%202021.pdf

unkel

A Porsche is not precious or delicate. They are built well and they are meant to be used hard. I personally would prefer a car with average mileage and a more normal history to that one.

As for an indy, go to Ken Bolger of Specialist Cars in Chapelizod

kdevitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720928#Comment_122720928

Yeh, but you'd rather start with a very tidy one than an average one that needs some tidying.

I used Ken too - would recommend.

MarkN

my head says 911 and so does my heart so that makes zero sense but I wish I could get more on the Boxster in terms of paperwork. I was thinking about asking Porsche Belfast if they do pre purchase inspections but it’s probably not their bag…

And I think I’ll keep thinking about the 911.

kdevitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122722682#Comment_122722682

Sounds like you should get a 911!

This crowd comes up as a recommendation for a PPI up north

Car Sales & Service, Repairs & Parts in Antrim from McMillan Specialist Cars - 028 9335 4911

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122722800#Comment_122722800

Agreed. Just get a 911 Mark. It will likely be a car you will keep for a long time, it's kinda end game. It will likely also hold its value well

Henry Ford III

Boxter is a decent car. Loads available and some are actually quite good value.

S2000 never really did it for me.

MarkN

Bit the 911 bullet. Hopefully picking it up end of next week. Thanks for all the words of wisdom along the way.

Just to add that AA Ireland have quoted €995 without a tracker with a fairly good level of cover. Cheapest I think I’ll get.

galwaytt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720928#Comment_122720928

Ahem, '03 996 on engine #2 has entered the room………… and mine had a FSH up to 89k miles before it went awol…

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122754418#Comment_122754418

IMS? We mentioned that already. It's preventable now. On a 996 / 997 that would be a mandatory job for sure from a financial / investment point of view. When I bought my 986 for €3800, not so much.

unkel

And go on @MarkN - pics and details or GTFO 😁

MarkN

not a great picture but you’ll bet the idea! Picking it up tomorrow. IMS done and scoring not present.

I’ve some new metal plates to go on her!

unkel

Very very sweet. You will not be disappointed and you will not be wanting to change that car within a few weeks like you did with the MX-5 😂

Well wear Mark!

MarkN

no, I’d imagine not. Some fun and possibly a little investment as an added bonus!

galwaytt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122754685#Comment_122754685

Not IMS. That's in the ha'penny place to some of the other issues. Mine dropped a valve seat. No prizes for guessing how that went (sic).

MarkN

A day to remember collecting a car like this, Aviva only wanted €43 extra in the end until Feb and I only paid €350 on the MX-5 so less than €400 fully comp with full bonus protection on a 911 is not bad I guess. It won’t be that in Feb 25 but I’ll worry about it then!