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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 55,114 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Yeah I'll edit in that I posted in relation to this thread…. because it still stands about this thread😂 I don't think I even posted in the other one you brought up.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,764 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    This is not the thread to discuss whether a specific poster is or is not centrist / right wing / left wing. Drop it please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    yeah t’was a general bit of feedback with an example that’s all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    How dare the mod be biased against antisemitism and islamaphobia?

    Wait - what will be the bias then?

    What is even the bias now???

    Mod - Thread closed

    Multiple mod warnings routinely ignored and the thread has, predictably, become another generic immigrant bashing thread

    Very concise as you wanted, where is the bias?

    We have an active immigrant bashing thread if you want to continue with that:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Overheal you are intentionally being a bit silly here - you know that’s not the point being made but to be honest I couldn’t be bothered spelling it out for you any further.

    Let’s leave it at that as we are dragging this thread off topic now.

    And obviously The stabbings and murders in Germany, while potentially related to immigration in some way , are not really anything to do with Irelands refugee policy… as you know. But nice to see your own bias showing and assuming all conversation around every potentially immigrant crime should be tossed into one corner of the site.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As mentioned earlier there will be new legally binding rules for social media platforms brought in this February. The owners of these platforms, which I assume includes boards.ie, will then ultimately be responsible for the content that appears on their site. Coimisúin na Mean will have the power to fine those companies for breaching the new rules.

    It remains to be seen what effect this will have on Boards. It may be minimal, but it may not be. Will the sites chronic lake of mods bear up. In any case, it will no longer be "mod-bias" preventing you from expressing certain views, it will now also be the law.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,486 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I don't believe any views which would fall foul of these new laws are in any way allowable currently on boards.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wouldn't be so sure. A real issue could be how long it takes to take down certain types of posts. I think everyone accepts that there is not enough mods and there is constantly a large volume of reported posts for the few active ones there are to wade through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Ok, back on track.

    My sum up:

    1: Make life easier for the mod team, to encourage more mods.

    How?

    Mod beers! (joke!*)

    But seriously, cleaner site charter, with links in the charters for definitions of words people may be unfamiliar with, (sealioning, trolling etc).

    Work with forum mods and cmods to tailor specific fora charters.

    Personally, I'd get rid of the DRP, have bans time limited to a week if possible. It's too much of a headache, and I don't really see the point in it. But if people want it kept, fine, but there should be a paid employee that should be dealing with it, not the volunteers, so it can be dealt with in a timely manner.

    Get more mods. Stop looking for Goldilocks mods and start PM'ing heavy users that aren't total bolloxes (I am pretty sure I would be in classed in that category, before people accuse me of wanting to be a mod again).

    Stop being so lenient with time-sinks/sealions/low level trolls. Your mods are your most precious commodities. Treat them and their time like it.

    2: Get Odhran, or whoever the boss is these days to publicly state their vision for what they want boards to be. What is the mission statement? What's the purpose of this site?

    3: Bring back netiquette. I know I ran foul over the last 24 hours. My posting was not of the standard this site should strive to be, so I apologise for that. But I hope the owners/admin can remember, this is the boards.ie playground, and boards.ie decide how users should play in it. If the users don't like it, tough. Move on.

    4: Update this and have mods freely direct users who are posting below the standard to it:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141001203637/http%3A//m.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq

    5: Make a US Politics Forum. Maybe it will die on it's arse, but it would be nice to have a forum where the following threads could be posted together (for example)

    • Strike Force 5 (Daily Show, Late show, Late night talk show thread)
    • Project 2025 - whats it all about?
    • The Trump Thread
    • The Harris Presidency Thread **cough cough**
    • The US election thread
    • US political Youtubers thread - They could even have their own they're so popular these days.
    • US politics YLYL meme thread (You always win)
    • etc. etc.

    6: Once the site is beginning to get sorted, bring back a voluntary subscription fee. I don't know if it's possible with Vanilla to have a subscriber only forum, but the biggest pains in the arse fora to mod could be hidden from non-subscribers.

    7: Put out a monthly HQ bulletin. Just let us know that someone gives a hoot about the site and the community. The silence from the owner and management is absolutely deafening at the moment. It can be about the development of the site, any community news people want to share, congrats to winners of monthly tournaments etc, etc.

    I still haven't admitted defeat with boards.ie

    I think the enemy is at the gates, and it's sh*t or get off the pot time.

    Hopefully, we'll know what direction boards is going in so we can make up our mind about whether it's worth sticking around or not.

    *Not a joke. Mod beers really were the heart of the community and allowed the place to flourish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,336 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    If it is" immigrant bashing" why not merge it with the other one ?

    Surely there should not be any thread that is bashing any group of people indiscriminately, fullstop ?

    As Ahwell has said above and others of us have said from the outset of this thread , Boards will be liable for its content going forward by law . Anyone that thinks there is not harmful content being posted regularly needs to read some of the hottest threads on a bank holiday weekend !

    Or maybe we should all just go off enjoy our weekends and leave them at it ? Now that's a thought ;)

    Its pretty obvious that a group of posters do not accept moderation here and want to speak unfettered . That has never been the case with Boards before and certainly won't be happening here with an owner who wants as little investment as possible , so won't want to be paying large fines, lets be clear .

    I think the last few pages make it pretty clear what has been happening with the various CA threads and reduced number of moderators able to consistently moderate a baiting, trolling , whinging group who will never be happy until Boards allows them to say whatever they want freely, with input only to ban those they disagree with .

    ...Claiming mod bias when posters on both sides of the debate have had warnings and bans .

    ...Posters insulting others , all while claiming they have been villified and then rushing to report , on a feedback thread ??

    The same posters who accuse others for reporting ...

    Fwiw I still think we need more mods on CA or close / merge any contentious threads so they can be watched more closely .

    I am not into the US threads generally so would support a separation of US threads to their own sub forum .

    Any potentially divisive or polarising threads should have stricter rules ( politics forum level ?) for posting to avoid misinformation being disseminated eg accurate and verifiable back up or statements which can be examined . Anybody repeating misinformation should get an automatic threadban .

    Threadbans with escalating time limits as suggested by a few may reduce DRP but there are repeated offenders who may need more .

    Mods posting statements and warnings on thread if not deleting posts does seem to be making an impact already . It is time consuming though for them so is there an option to get Vanilla to apply something like the card system again ?

    And we all need to support our volunteer mods, on all sides . No point decrying the lack of mods if posters question every move they make and persecute individual mods for their privately held opinions . That is the most disingenuous trend that is on this thread by posters who I think feel they would benefit from free rein to behave how they please by driving mods away . We have seen this in action already on a few occasions .

    Not saying posters should not have the right to question or complain but the way its happening now is not good either for posters or mods ..could DRP be done privately and posted to archive once resolved ?

    Boards will and would be definitely gone already if it weren't for these individuals volunteering their valuable time , so I think everybody should get behind them .

    An update within the next month / 6 weeks would be good ?

    And regular updates , on a specific thread stickied / reserved as per JP Liz VI , so we can see any progression over time .

    Edited to remove quotation marks at op request .

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,730 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    I remember back when it was just After Hours and there was a politics forum there was an over zealous moderator who just banned everyone who didn't have hold their views it got to a tipping point where the site admins or someone in power removed them from modding the forum and that user closes their account (no doubt is probably back on here), that was back when the biased moderation issue was recognized and dealt with, shame we can't go back to those days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,336 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Del



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,973 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    You mean an individual mod, not moderators as a group. You do understand the difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Read the full context - it’s about 4 pages back max.

    The grandstanding is torturous 😂

    (edit - in relation to my quoted comment which you have purposefully misquoted out of context to support the rest of your post. I note you also didn’t quote my original comment for reasons hopefully to do with site usability and not in an effort not to get called out)

    Post edited by thomas 123 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,240 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't think that happened. Sounds like more nonsense.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭growleaves


    This web site shouldn't be saved because it is net-bad. The discussions are not good ones and the effect it has on people is not good. Most regular posters would be better as people and happier by spending less time on the internet.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,240 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I find these discussions addictive. However I will try to log on less and less, if I can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I also find the internet in general addicting.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,240 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's designed that way in fairness. Not really your fault.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 19,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    There isn't a problem with moderation in AH at all, I'm not sure where you're getting that from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    Many of the good posters like a German state head and woopsie are gone. And lesser by still noteworthy ones.

    All that's left is an us and them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,897 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    So the whole site is to be judged and condemned based on CA or AH? What about the vibrant Motoring, Hunting, Gardening, Gigs, Radio, TV, Consumer Affairs etc where discussion and advice carries on with no hostility or sniping?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭growleaves


    There are rows in Radio, Motoring, Commuting but point taken - it's not all bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,336 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It wasn't all about you , thomas , that is why .

    And I did read the context . The mod closed it because of immigrant BASHING . You did not make reference to the fact that it was bashing in your posts. Now read my post with your blinkers off ..no bashing of ANY race, religion or group should be acceptable to any decent poster .

    You can go on now ... I have nothing more to say to you on this .

    I think everybody knows the difference between genuine feedback and what you are describing above .

    There has been grandstanding indeed on the last number of pages but not by me or many others who have contributed in good faith and fairly sparingly . Which we are entitled to .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Interested in this, do you have a link for it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Nope, you put quotation remarks around something I said in isolation without the rest of the context, remove them so if it’s not about me?

    Please report any of my immigrant bashing posts, or flag them to me directly, I aim not to bash any immigrants personally and would not like to come across that way. but yes, I have very strong opinions on Gov policy around illegal migration. Not that you need the context since you will ignore it but that was but one example of a thread being closed with an editorial from a moderator that was not needed … had you read the context (on the last 4 pages that you claim to have read) you’d know that.

    I find it really bizzare you have felt the need to go on the offensive and attack me personally here on this feedback thread also, especially considering your own fondness of the report function and editing of posts with questionable comments. I suppose you saw the pack mentality and decided it was an opetune moment to inject your own thoughts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Fair enough, I should report more. I tend to call out posters instead. What I was calling for and have all along is more overt moderation to keep things in line. I know this is not possible at the moment but it should be an aim, even if only a pipe dream. I am making this point as people are claiming that the consensus is calling for less current affairs moderation when I and others have called for more active and more even handed moderation (obviously implementing that is resource dependent).

    My other point about left wing/right wing is that many people in this thread and on boards in general are seeing everything through an American identity politics skew where posters are being dismissed as either being for or against issues and treating them as an enemy to be defeated rather than someone with an opposing viewpoint who may or may not have something relevant to post. Most people hold nuanced views and don't subscribe wholesale to a bunch of left wing or right wing talking points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Good faith?

    since I started my reply and posted it you have completely changed your comment via edit.

    There is a bit of site feedback - display a public edit history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    that was but one example of a thread being closed with an editorial from a moderator that was not needed

    I still fail to see why you take such umbrage with the note closing the thread, it was on point factual, the thread was full of people no longer interested in discussing the topic but rather, just more general bashing of immigrants.

    I still haven't figured out what your actual problem with this note was or how it is perceived as bias. What do you think was happening in that thread, if not generic immigrant bashing themed posting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    that’s fair enough overheal, others get it. And to be frank I don’t care if you don’t understand a simplistic bit of site feedback.



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    This is the media regulator's site…

    https://www.cnam.ie/

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/83829-unpublished-new-media-regulator-coimisiun-na-mean-formally-established-today/

    There was a front page story about it in the Sunday Independent two weeks ago(I think), behind a pay-wall though.

    This just gives a broad overview of what's being proposed…

    https://www.thejournal.ie/media-regulator-asks-public-for-input-on-new-safety-rules-6243610-Dec2023/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    I notice on mobile the thread no.longer comes up. Playing the end theme music.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭reclose


    How about more visibility for everyone to see what posts received a warning?
    That way we could all see who was warned and what for.
    It might mean we see that even those with the opposite opinion to us is getting warnings too and realise it’s fair.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,764 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The fact that posters cannot see when other posters' posts get warned is a serious frustration with Vanilla and one we've unfortunately raised lots of times as an issue.

    Sometimes mods will be able to modify a post to add a bit of bold text saying it was warned, but this is easily missed by users, and also it is very time consuming for mods and not really practical during periods of very high workload.

    Honestly, this annoys us as much as it annoys you as it gives posters the impression that other users may be getting away with things that they are not getting away with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I assume ye can edit posts as required so maybe just stick a yellow or red "WARNING" into the sanctioned post?

    Absolute pain doing it manually when its not built in but I dont know the backend ye have to know would inserting a word like that be too cumbersome?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 55,114 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Yeah you can. We do it in soccer. But that's way less popular than CA is nowadays (and soccer is practically no hassle anymore tbh) so it's like comparing apples and oranges.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Soccer used to be very different.

    There's some lessons to be learned from the changes that happened in that forum.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    You also have posters bitching about the mods that do modify their posts with the warning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,687 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Some posters are just looking for a grievance to make hay with.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,601 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    And to act hurt and shocked when someone calls them up on their, frankly, despicable posts.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭Packrat


    It's the 'mod snip' bit that annoys people. Unless it's something which would get the site in legal trouble it should be left as is, - to demonstrate what is actionable, with "WARNED" in red caps or something.

    I agree with awec that the old cards were better but if they're not a feature of Vanilla, then that's that.

    As I mentioned above in a different context, - I've never read or posted in Soccer, but I believe it was very bad back around the time I joined boards or before. There's merit in nullzero's suggestion that whatever cleane that place up should be looked at to see if it could help with CA.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,687 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Aye nurturing the chip on the shoulder like a prized possession. It is how they justify to themselves lashing out in baseless attacks on other posters and mods.

    Timesinks for mods. Wrecking the heads of sincere posters and driving them away.

    Need to be failing them faster, getting them out the door not giving them chance after chance.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭nachouser


    So, to sum up - most people don't really have anyone they know who would use the words "right wing" to describe themselves in everyday life. People who post on here presumably have jobs, lives, cars, a mortgage, kids, a partner. They live in Ireland, they send their kids to schools. Anyone claiming to be "right wing" on boards is nuts to me. It's just an internet thing that doesn't have anything to do with reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭reclose


    I guess it’s plan b then.
    Be civil. Be tolerant of other opinions. Enter a discussion being open to having your opinion changed.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're right wing if you think this chap is a complete and utter muppet.

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4A2u3OOtPf/?igsh=b2FvdmpmN3M3amUx



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