Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122937898#Comment_122937898

I don't see a position in the system Bruno fits in long term but he's continued to play every game and Amorim being Portuguese and probably a previous relationship with him may bias him towards him. I like Bruno and think he's probably among the best in the team but that's the Bruno who played off the striker for Ole, not the one who doesn't have a defined position and makes the Hollywood balls from midfield.

El Gato De Negocios

Re Ashworth.

On one side it's a PR bloody nose for the club considering the courting process, paying to get him from Newcastle, probably paying him off to get rid of him after a few months etc.

On the other side, it's a clear indication that the powers that be are willing to hold their hands up and make tough decisions when employees aren't working out. Hopefully an indication of how players will be viewed, if you aren't good enough or aren't willing to row in the same direction you GTFO.

FourFourRED

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122937892#Comment_122937892

Agreed and while having to dispose of Ashworth so early is a **** up (lack of due diligence), it’s probably preventing further ones down the line (if he isn’t what you want now). Cut your losses and move on.

SJR is clearly impatient (can be a good or a bad thing, time will tell) and seemed to have no time for him and his ideas, of lack of ideas in some cases.

The most recent Atheltic article is great investigative journalism and gives us an insight into what is actually going on.

FourFourRED

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122937981#Comment_122937981

Just watched the MOTD highlights and I realised that the Onana howler distracted me and probably others from the mistake he made that lead to that goal. Stupid stuff and a lack of care for possession in a deep area.

DataDude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122937990#Comment_122937990

And managers too! If there’s one common thread through the last 10 years it’s been the insistence on keeping managers on 12-24 months after the whole world knew they were finished. We’ve been reasonably ok at turning the players over (save for a few like rashford)

We’ve spent somewhere between 30-50% of the last 10 years with zombie managers just waiting for their inevitable sack so we can try again with the next one. Need to much more decisive in future, hopefully seeing this season end in September will open INEOS eyes to the cost of indecision on a bad manager.

kerplun k

I’m not getting the “Ineos Sh*tShow* comments.

For me this is a positive sign. They hired someone, a well documented, high profile acquisition with that. The easy thing to do here, would be to not rock the boat. Do nothing.

Unfortunately it’s not worked out. They’ve made the hard decision and dealt with it head on.

Hopefully they continue with this trend.

mcburns07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938107#Comment_122938107

They cannot win really, our fans seem determined to find fault in absolutely everything the club does. Endless misery.

secman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122935870#Comment_122935870

Mazraoui for sure, I've been harsh on Yorro, had forgotten him tbh, but the others have made little improvement. Apparently according to BBC report's I'm not alone in my opinion of the additions, that and him backing keeping ETH. It's going to be a long term fix, never going to be anything other. Probably the signings we didn't make too to fix glaring deficiencies in the squad.

Lauras Law

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122937861#Comment_122937861

What's this "two for two" that you're on about?

fergiesfolly

Gary Neville on some American sports show whinging that United aren't being transparent about Ashworths sacking.

I get that we're all a bit curious, but no one has a devine right to know anything about a business we don't own a stake in. It's not like we can do a damn thing about it anyway.

If he wants to know what's going on so badly, let him buy a stake in the club.

Daroxtar

If you want to know about Ineos Sh1t Show take a look at their cycling team.

Sky won 7 TDFs in 8 years. 2 Vuelta Espana. Ineos took over and won 1 TDF and 2 Giro de Italia.

Currently, Tom Pidcock given a 5 year contract at £2.5m + win bonuses. Senior team director Steve Cummings dispensed with after telling Pidcock he won't win the TDF. Long term Team principal Rod Ellingworth who left in 2019 re-signed in 2021. Leaves in 2023 after only 18 months. Main target Pablo Castrillo officially announced as their big summer signing. Castrillo deal collapses due to financial issues. Pidcock dropped from last race of the year amid rumours of potential £1m win bonus and subsequently leaves team with alleged multi million £ payout.

Ineos are a fuking mess. Lets hope we're not going to see the same sh1te here at Man U.

Iseedeadpixels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938252#Comment_122938252

Keeping ETH and hiring/firing Ashworth....I think.

AidoEirE

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122934762#Comment_122934762

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Personally don't think he is. Last season has massive gaps in defence when we were facing 20 +shots on goal and he was getting called out for absolute blinders and rightly so but he shouldnt have faced that many sots on target per game.

This season he's probably been top 3 so far our best players along with Maz and Amad imo.

Keeper position is tricky, it's all eyes on him if a goal is scored mostly and not what's in front of him in defending players, either lack of tracking back or players switching off. There were absolute blinders from the outfielders in front of him that led to the Arsenal corners and Forest goal.

Of course, he was messy as hell for the other 2 and should do better but I think he gets harshly treated all imo. Could argue I'm completely wrong and that's alright alright alright.

Keepers tend to start off shakey here but tend to improve and Ive seen enough signs (so far) this season he will get better once Ruben has his first 11 sorted.

Dont think it was a great team performance all round either.

(That image has a certain ex UTD gk as no.2 which is class. Finding that form again, glad it's going well for him)

Onana yesterday was disappointing but interesting to see the people waiting in the wings for a mistake when he's been consistently great this season at all aspects of goalkeeping. His ability to bounce back has been there previously so hopefully can do the same.

Lauras Law

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122936362#Comment_122936362

Changing the team significantly every game except for the 2 Portuguese lads.

This seems like an attempt to push a narrative that Amorim is favoring his fellow countrymen, which is simply not supported by the facts. Let’s set the record straight with the actual facts rather than baseless narratives:

Amorim has managed United for 5 games so far. Bruno, the team captain, has started all 5 matches, as have Onana and de Ligt. Dalot hasn’t started all 5; he’s started 4, just like Garnacho and Mazraoui.

So, how exactly is he “changing the team significantly every game except for the 2 Portuguese lads"?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938402#Comment_122938402

I think Bruno being the only one so far exempt from rotation with there being a few players seemingly capable of playing his position given the other rotation is interesting, yes.

Dalot I'm a fan of but not a fan of him being a Phil Neville type who is moved sides constantly as he needs consistency imo.

AidoEirE

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938361#Comment_122938361

Agreed, there's been big improvements this season but the improvements we are seeing is because the shots oer match are a lot less so, last season set him up on such a low bench mark because of the shots he was facing.

This was even before Ruben.

Season in my eyes still early there's going to be so many changes bar the 1st imo.

Cant remember a season where mid table can jump to top 4 or near relegation with everyone. Games are coming thick and fast, 3 games a 7 day week. Big chang s yet to come

AidoEirE

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938402#Comment_122938402

Its not because they are Portuguese, it's because, Bruno is the fittest of the squad, he's constantly available to play.

Dalot is in there because we are shafted on the left side.

Maz can cover that right sight but can also come in to decent attack positions and is a better baller than Dalot if he was there.

AidoEirE

I'll be done if club fires Amorim.

Its the first time since Fergie left, left us pretty **** but a bloody hero, that'll be dissiapointed if it fails for Amorim.

Im excited for this guy

He sticks by his principles and is young to do so. We can't keep looking for the hot **** because by the time they get to us, they are retiring or moving to a weaker league after firing.

I think this guy is the real deal, he's honest in the media, something we haven't had in 10+ years and does it without a ego.

Has a record of a winning team team that takes time to mould to his own.

Hes clearly has a huge addmier of the club, he's young but has plenty to back it up.

It's knowhere his team, a lot of dead wood to get rid of.

He was promised a project, sounds like sjr want that's same project and break the cycle, who the hell wants potter.or Southgate.

RVN got hired over both Southgate and Potter. They won't be heard of again end of the season in the PL.

It's going to take a clear out, players in, players out but I'm confident this lad won't overpay, won't get anyone forced on him and he'll grow within the club

Asworth is gone, clearly reputation did the job for him. Knowbodyknows anything.

I can guarantee that he was got ridden off because it didnt suit the club.

We are not billionaires, we are not millionaires, I'm a working class (although who knows what that is) the lads making the money, are there because they they see a weak link.

Dan asworth wanted Potter or Southgate. That says it all.

AidoEirE

We are a 5/6 year club till we challenge that title.

Thats excluding other clubs improving.

The table this year is so tight

Suvarnabhumi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122935837#Comment_122935837

One of the Glazers first appointments was Woodward. It’ll take United years to recover from his mismanagement.

Caustic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938107#Comment_122938107

People get addicted to being outraged it's a real thing.

Caustic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938361#Comment_122938361

One person pretty much said they had been waiting a year, I mean **** hell not bad in my opinion it's taken you a year to point out a mistake.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938557#Comment_122938557

I think this is a very harst, and franky inflamatory, suggestion when what people are doing is criticising INEOS for sacking an employee after less time in the job than they chased him for. At a time when they are claiming they need to watch and cut every penny, spending millions to hire and then fire them within 5 months.

I, and most, don't have a problem with the sacking of Ashworth if things simply aren't working - but things falling apart or failing to that level afteer 5 months in of itself is worthy of criticism when so much was made of getting them in and their importance just a few months ago.

IMO it is perfectly fine to accept it is right to move on, while also being critical of what brought them all to this point in the first place.

I've said before I don't mind our ownership making mistakes, as long as the realise and react to it quickly - which under the Glazers NEVER happened (I think Woodword et al would have done far better if they had realised they needed an Ashworth (his ilk) a decade ago.)

But that doesn't mean that people pointing out the mistake and that it is a mistake on top of other missteps and unpopular decisions are just addicted to being outraged. (i don't fundementally ciriticise the redundancies, but I do criticise the ticket price increae and how it happened)

I could equally counter that some people will only be happy if we praise, without qualification, their backing of EtH, their continued backing of EtH, hiring several coaches and sacking them 4 months later, hiring a Sporting Director and sacking him 5 months later, raising the ticket prices by up to 150% with no consultation or discussion.

Whatsisname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938307#Comment_122938307

I honestly wish Neville would learn to shut up for a bit. I saw he was criticising Amorim for rotating saying ‘I told Ten Hag this for months, stick to your best XI’ when Amorim has said multiple times why he has to rotate. ETH and Ole both ran the squad into the ground, Neville wants Amorim to do the same for short term gain.

Think Neville’s been particularly negative since Amorim came in. You’d think our ex players would understand how much weight their opinion can carry and the knock on affect this can have for the manager and squad but they all seem to love the sound of their own voice too much to care.

Quags

should have being sacked on the spot for those manager suggestions

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938656#Comment_122938656

Unfortunately Neville won't change his tune now, maybe if we become a big team again then yes but any pop at United creates traffic & all media now this. Neville probably wanted Potter or Southgate to come in but im sure he will have some sort of pop today about it all, maybe if he is on MNF

FourFourRED

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938686#Comment_122938686

As he is on this redevelopment task force, he might not be as critical of them.

He might not even be on MNF tonight if he was in the US over the weekend. Jet lag etc 😉

The Rooster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938435#Comment_122938435

That’s the thing. The top 4 is done, and I think there’’ll be an 8-10 point gap between 4th and 5th by the end of the season. But 5th will almost certainly qualify for the CL and it’s absolutely wide open as to who will claim that spot. About 5, maybe up to 7, contenders and all will drop plenty of points. No reason United can’t be the ones to emerge and claim it.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122938670#Comment_122938670

If that's the case then surely Ineos should be "sacked" for appointing him. I don't know how you can headhunt someone, spend months and months in discussions with them, and then be surprised by that person's thoughts on the role are.

I would hope the mutual parting of ways / sacking was more to do with personality clashes. That's far more understandable imo. We've brought in a lot of heavy hitters and it's fairly understandable if they don't all gel.

But putting out word that it's because he favoured Potter etc is just weak.