Etiquette while commuting on public trasport

Dial Hard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122699833#Comment_122699833

Very well paying position at the top company in a very niche and lucrative industry. I'm seriously considering whether it's worth it, though. 4 days a week is mandatory across the board, regardless of whether your job can be done remotely (pretty much everyone's can).

It's a FTC so telling myself I only have to do it for a set period. It's going to be a long winter, though. It's not just the general hassle and unpleasantness of getting the bus, it's the impact of all that dead commuting time on my quality of life. I'm gone out of the house for 12 hours a day, pretty much. Doesn't help either that our working hours are longer than most.

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122699993#Comment_122699993

For people who have conditions who need to sit, please see this:

https://www.dublinbus.ie/news/please-offer-me-a-seat

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122700277#Comment_122700277

Thanks, I'll look into that. I was on an 8-piece 29k set at Connolly, going towards Dundalk. It presumably started at GCD or Pearse, but it was already rammed by the time it got to Connolly.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122699854#Comment_122699854

13 would be the bus I use most frequently, never a problem on it.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122703698#Comment_122703698

It would have suffered from diversions at either end of the route over the years, either avoiding Poppintree by taking the direct route along Ballymun Road or avoiding Bawnogue due to anti-social behaviour.

Maybe more a case of problems off the bus than on it.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122700277#Comment_122700277

Great token effort there, by Dublin Bus. Box ticked. 🙄

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122708202#Comment_122708202

Since there a TFI logo on it, I’d imagine it’s an NTA project rather than Dublin Bus themselves.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122708210#Comment_122708210

It links to the Dublin Bus website… but no matter.

It's still nothing more than a box ticking exercise.

Flashing a card or wearing a badge does not oblige another passenger to give up their seat. So, I have no faith in their claim that it "ensures that people with hidden disabilities have a seat in priority areas on public transport".

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122708249#Comment_122708249

Ah come off it, no one claimed "ensures that people with hidden disabilities have a seat in priority areas on public transport"

The website just says "Please offer me a seat", there is no guarantee of course, but lots of people would jump up for an obviously elderly or lesser abled person, and if they see that, they might as well too, I know I would. As it is I almost always go upstairs if I can, so as not to take up downstairs seats for those who might need it.

The ironic thing about this seat stuff, is that our use of Double deckers means we tend to have far more seating space on our buses that you would typically find on single decker buses in most of the rest of the world. They tend more towards standing then seated.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122708249#Comment_122708249

So what do you suggest as a solution?

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122708318#Comment_122708318

Did you check the Dublin Bus link you posted? Clearly not.

Also this is what "Invisible Disability Ireland" links to.

So yeah. Pure tokenism.

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122708349#Comment_122708349

So, what's your solution?

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122708320#Comment_122708320

It's not up to me to find a solution.

But I'd prefer if they didn't do a meaningless box ticking excercise like this, and claim that they're actually doing something.

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122708385#Comment_122708385

I don't think it is meaningless at all. I think many people (but not all of course) would give up their seat for someone who went out of their way to get a badge like this. It isn't a guarantee of course, but IME most people are helpful to people who need a little more help.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122708424#Comment_122708424

Well in my experience, most people will stick in their earphones and glue their eyes to their phones and pretend not to see you, and that's with a visible disability. Let alone an invisible one.

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122708951#Comment_122708951

Really not been my experience at all.

Stephen Gawking

Has anyone ever seen theses by laws? Are they enforced? Have they ever been? Cannot remember the last time I was on a bus that was ticket checked except during covid when gards were pulling people off buses for no masks etc

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122709375#Comment_122709375

See below

https://www.dublinbus.ie/policys-and-procedures/dublin-bus-bye-laws

zell12

Why do bus drivers when dark at 18:30 put on the overhead aisle lights on a 3h non-stop journey? Do they realise that people may want to nap? There are individual over-seat lights if needed. Is there a safety reason or such?

bobbyss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774433#Comment_122774433

Don't get me started. There are more subtle lights on floor etc that could be used instead of using those lights.

But my God. How many times have I taken buses overnight. Nothing annoys me more than someone who decides to read a book or a newspaper at 4AM with the seat light on and I am just behind and I craving sleep. But they are entitled to do that. But what is worse is if that person then stops reading and leaves light on while that person falls asleep! Or the same scenario with people a few seats around me. Jesus wept!

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122776614#Comment_122776614

An eye mask is a must while travelling on coaches/trains/planes, those and noise cancelling headphones make the experience so much better IME.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122683590#Comment_122683590

Its quite normal, they have an inspector and often UCD Estates are on stand by. They had trouble many years ago and cans on the bus are a no go now. Think they poured out over 100 drinks last night.

zell12

deteriorating social manners on transit, including bags on seats, shoe clad feet on seats, talking loudly into phones is not the same as talking loudly to someone next to you (it is worse), phones ringing, low volume music from phones, phones making noise, phones.. Sadbh O'Neill said if trains had windows she'd throw the phones out them 🙂

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-hard-shoulder/should-fines-be-issued-for-bad-behaviour-on-public-transport

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122359163#Comment_122359163

What if one individual has “one and a half” arse volume? That is conundrum even the brightest minds cannot solve then and there! I remember been literally on the edge of the seat on bus (designed for two regular arses with room to spare) but the “one and a half + arse” - dominates.

MakersMark

A 2 tier public transport system would solve all these issues.

Tier 1...you are required to show a valid payslip from your employer.

Tier 2… everyone else.

murphaph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122688028#Comment_122688028

Be careful what you wish for. If everyone drove, you'd need to get up 3 hours earlier for work.

veryangryman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123146023#Comment_123146023

Doubt it affects my commute to the spare room

murphaph

Ah ok, so you are only in favour of other people sitting in a car for several hours a day. Gotcha.

Spanish Eyes

I was on a bus last week and that rare kind of journey for me was very quick and the bus was spotless. However, a young lady opposite me and was literally roaring into her phone on Facetime, and not only that, her friend was answering in a shouty loud voice too. Everyone on the bus was rolling their eyes. I was having a bad day and said to myself sod this, it's just too loud (my alter ego is Victor Meldrew but anyway).

I made eye contact and pointed to me ears and asked if she had earphones or could she lower it down, it was very loud. She looked at me blankly and carried on. I repeated myself gesticulating madly at my ears. Nope, nothing.

Jaysus I was a bit annoyed. So in front of everyone on that bus I got up from my seat, sat beside the screamer and joined in the conversation on Facetime. Told the recipient that it was so bloody loud and could they keep it down or use earphones like everyone else. In fairness to my innate good manners, I did all this with a smile and a laugh and a wave at my ears. Folks the call ended soon after, and it was lowered down just prior. I smiled over at loud caller and nodded my thanks.

That's not the first time I did this. I'm sick of it. Oblivious to the world they are in their own little bubble of noise.

TFI or whoever is responsible should introduce a by law like the no smoking on buses thing that ALL devices must be used with earphones. Thank you. It's so simple isn't it.

I have to admit with good grace, that I'm not sure if I would have asked a 6ft.6 hulk of a man to do the same, but I've found that it's the approach that matters in the end. So until new rules are made, I urge you to ask people to turn it down and see what happens. Choose carefully who to ask, but that's instinctive. New rules will apply to all.

Sorry for the essay. That was cathartic!

Vic_08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123149598#Comment_123149598

Laws covering this are already on the books and have been for decades (at least on CIE services, you'd have to check what applies to other TFI and private commercial operations) but as always in Ireland there is a vast chasm between laws on paper and what is actually enforced.

Example, Bus Eireann by-laws, clause 59.

https://buseireann.ie/bus-eireann-irish-bus-bye-laws-2014

What the operators and TFI should do is put notices inside buses and trains that make it clear playing content and speaker phonecalls from any device as well as loud phone conversations is not acceptable behaviour and illegal.

It won't change the world but at least it would be something that can be pointed to by the likes of yourself (and staff) when confronting these people.