F1 2024 - Round 11 - Austrian - Red Bull Ring

RoryMac

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122321704#Comment_122321704

As a viewer today was exactly what I want to see. Both Norris and Max did things that were wrong and got punished.

The only complaint is have was that the stewards should focus on battles like that at the front and resolve the issues faster. Norris's 5 secs for track limits should've been handed out a lot quicker, Max should've got a black and white flag for his double moves in defence too before they made contact.

I see a comment from Norris along the lines of his friendship with Max will be affected if Max doesn't take responsibility for what he did. Norris will need a tougher shell if he's going to challenge for titles

mun1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122321817#Comment_122321817

thought norris was silly for being walked into a discussion about his friendship with Max. He answered like an emotional 12 year old .

Exciting end to the race though and well done to Russell for sticking with it and getting the win.

RoryMac

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122321869#Comment_122321869

Yeah just saw the clip and Norris should've just avoided the question, I'm sure he gutted now but comes across a bit immature in his comments. Says he had a mistake free race until Max took him out?!?

Harika

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Was fun, luckily tuned in

PsychoPete

Wheel to wheel racing will eventually end up with cars hitting each other that's just part of racing but of course sky will be up to their usual shenanigans especially with Silverstone around the corner

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122322154#Comment_122322154

Has already started. Dragging up 2021 but conveniently not mentioning Silverstone.

I dont get the penalties though. There is zero consistency.

Landi got 5 sec, Max gets 10 sec today but Kmag got nothing at Monaco.

PsychoPete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122322325#Comment_122322325

I switched over to the euros because I knew what was coming with sky like it was Verstappens fault but when Lando startrd dive bombing you could see they were going to hit eachother. Stewards need to hand out penalties a lot quicker and it can't be that hard to be consistent

blackbox

I don't know why Norris gave up. Surely if they'd just changed the tyres and sent him out without replacing the wing he'd have scored a few points.

RoryMac

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122322427#Comment_122322427

There was a slowmo of him driving to the pits, the rubber from his tyre was tearing chunks out of the car. I'd say the body work was destroyed

blackbox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122322458#Comment_122322458

With only a few laps to go I thought he could still have made the top 10.

Burkie1203

WIll lando get a 3 place grid penalty for silverstone for driving with one wheel shredding carbon fibre everywhere?

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122322368#Comment_122322368

Best bit for me was the analysis of the incident. Sky talking about track limits all day and your man draws his yellow line from Max's tyre to the white line and with a smug smile and a flourish declares not enough track left for Norris.

AMKC

Great race. Delighted for George. Piastri do should have got a 10second penalty for ruining Charles race muppet

PsychoPete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122323002#Comment_122323002

Anthony Davidson was it?

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122323120#Comment_122323120

Yeah. Couldn't remember. Thanks.

He was wearing that smug smile from start to finish which really got on my nerves. I just lolled when he produced his unassailable conclusion.

Frank Bullitt

Close racing, which I always want to see. It was the Max of old and we know what that version of him is like, it’s like watching Senna or Schumacher all over again.

He pushed it over the line today, and Norris was dive bombing as well, more so in hope than anything. Neither driver should really care, Max probably won’t…this isn’t his first rodeo, Norris, as others have said, will have to develop a thicker skin with this if he is to challenge for more wins.

I agree with the speed, or lack of, with penalties. Had Max known of the penalty then he probably would have held off, and even at this he has extended his lead.

Sky coverage…well, are we surprised? The Brits love to have a go at a bad guy all day, they are more focused on Max over George’s win as well. You can be 110% sure that coverage next weekend with revolve around the incidents today as well, they’ll be bringing up 2021 and previous years all over.

Have to hand it to George as well, he was nowhere but his good qualification put him in that position.

Burkie1203

Amazing how very similar moves get very different commentary. Vetted moved way more than Max

https://twitter.com/vettelhistory/status/1807425035113537889?t=jeiMZGrt2-_iLOPAWiH7tA&s=19

Captain_Crash

Saw most of the race but had to go out and missed the collision, but having seen replays of it I’d definitely attribute it to Max…. As has been said Norris was divebombing all day and could easily have cause the same! Norris is a great driver but needs to mature a little bit more before he can be considered a championship challenger, and if something like that can affect a supposed close friendship then someone’s gotta check thier attitude!

Charlie-Bravo

The race got interesting towards the end. Divebombing is fine once you don't take out the other. Simples about what happened, Max was moving and closing the angle in the braking zone. He's been divebombing for years when he came into F1 so should know to defend in a start line, but this time he couldn't keep Lando behind and ruined LN's race causing the contact.

The main thing here is Max's true style is there to see, never leave an option to pass, so the other driver chooses to either stay behind or be the one to cause contact.

Max was a bit deluded thinking he did no wrong today.

Andrew76

Just back online since the race, I see the stewards have given Max 2 points on his licence (up to 4 now), according to racing-365.
I don’t think Max will revert to the ‘you shall not pass’ attitude he had in his earlier years, or at least I hope he doesn’t. He still has a decent lead in the championship and is wise enough to pick and choose his battles. I think frustration got the better of him today when he saw that 7 second lead he built up evaporate because of the pit stop problem. Lando was surely going to get a penalty for track limits and I don’t think he had enough laps left to build up a gap bigger than 5 seconds, so Max could’ve let him past and just stay close enough with DRS to still get the win.
Anyway, hopefully we get more close battles like this just without the contact. It’s mad how quickly McLaren have caught up to Red Bull.
Also, how the feck did Perez end up behind a Haas today, shocking stuff again.

Charlie-Bravo

We haven't seen a drive through penalty, or a stop and go penalty in years. Do they still exist in the stewards book of punishment? I would think a stop and go would have justified what Max did, and it is a good deterrent in the future for anyone else.

flazio

They are reluctant to use drive throughs because the penalty is inconsistent. Some pitlanes are longer/slower than others. A drive through in a dry Montreal for example would leave out the wall of champions and turns 1 and 2, where one in Monza could end up with, well Monza 2021.

thefa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122323913#Comment_122323913

Perez put a good hole in his sidepod with his lap 1 incident squeezing Piastri. Can remember multiple years where he’s had incidents at turn 4 and hasn’t learned from them.

RoryMac

Perez has been driving like there's a hole in his side pod for a year now

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122324181#Comment_122324181

If you qualify poorly then you get involved in these sorts of incidents. He needs to do better.

Getting beaten by a Haas is inexcusable. Even if Hulk is having an excellent season...

thefa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122324384#Comment_122324384

I agree he needs to do better, no doubt, but my main point was he had damage for most of the race which I think there’s people who didn’t realise that and just think he’s now competing with Haas on race pace.

I actually just remembered Perez also had a long pit stop immediately after Verstappen’s long pit stop (the one that probably cost Verstappen the win). It’s all valid context that affected the final positions that’s worth considering.

If Perez had a clean race, he probably like finishes 4th considering Hamilton’s floor damage. Still probably not good enough but that’s where his form is at.

Joeface

We were entertained . I don't think over all it was a great race but the end erased anything dull in it .
I think Verstappens "bigger" mistake was he probably could have let Lando by and just sat in behind and followed , before the contact Norris was pretty much getting his penatly of track limits and I don't think he would have pulled out 5 seconds.
I am sure everywhere there will be articles wrote this week filled with good ,bad and terrible takes on the "incident".
The only part I thought was really bad was after the contact on the straight when Verstappen on three tires moved back and cross , kinda left Norris into the Grass ( pretty sure thats where Norris got his puncture) . That was way more dangerous than anything else.

Roll on the British GP.

……Damn it I'm going to be in croke park for that .

wazzzledazzle

This will probably affect Norris more than Max. Max has seen it all before with a much better driver in Lewis.

I'm going to steer well clear of any build ups with them idiots over at sky and just watch the actual racing.

I expect Max to be working with the team throughout the week to make sure hs car will be bullet proof for this weekend and put a marker down.

Redbull and Max will win the GB grand prix next weekend. I'd be fairly certain of that.

Used to have so much time for McClaren but the clown Brown who loves himself has put me off them a bit to the point i'd prefer Mercs challenging.

And Ferrari need to up their game fairly sharpish.

Joeface

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122324620#Comment_122324620

Hamilton also had a hole not just floor damage

SlickRic

we've been through the eras of Schumacher and Hamilton. we know what aggressive driving looks like, and what can happen. it's competitive sport at an obscene pace, so things can happen.

but there is no doubt in my mind that Max is especially prone to these incidents, and it's because he is more reckless than most. he does not yield, even when he probably should. it does seem as though when he actually has to race against a car that is actually next to him, he gets into these scrapes.

this won't affect him in the slightest, but we have to be honest. whether you like it, or whether you don't, he's particularly prone to dangerous driving.