Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

thebiglad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122767425#Comment_122767425

I have been in England a few times in recent months and, now I really notice the cans and bottles on their streets whereas our streets are relatively clean - whether its because people hold on for their deposits or others are collecting them, does it matter - quite a difference in cleanliness.

Have started to notice though a lot of glass bottles lying around - soon enough they'll start to be broken and that will be a bigger problem than plastic/cans…

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122769915#Comment_122769915

Some local councils in the UK are not spending enough on street cleaning.

This is especially true of poorer areas.

We have improved overall in recent years with the help of IBAL surveys.

It's more or less accepted now that the more you clean up streets the less likely people are to drop litter on them.

greasepalm

Had to do shopping today and bring back my returns 29.75 which was nice but used a different machine where it was having issues in putting stuff in to it more quickly would not read the code and had to put it in again costing me time.

When i got the second machine free i hopped in there and fed the machine and no issues as it took the rest. Reported to management of issue of second machine as possible dirty sensor issue as machine was rejection them.

dxhound2005

Two items which I noticed on sale in the North with the logo. This one in the drink shop in Jonesborough, barcode 5032917000434.

And this one in Sainsburys Newry on a shelf labelled Not for EU. Barcode 5010038486009.

Crazy Davey

Greens gonna lose a lot of votes due to this

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122771299#Comment_122771299

History says that the junior partner in Government always loses votes. The Greens never had a lot of votes to lose anyway.

This century. 2002. Votes 71,470, First Preference 3.8%, Seats won 6/166.

2007 96,936 4.7% 6/166 (went into Government).

2011 41,039 1.8% 0/166. (slaughtered after being in Government).

2016 56,999 2.7% 2/158. (still getting blamed for being in the earlier Government)

2020 155,695 7.1% 12/160 and currently in Government.

A return to their usual fewer than 100,000 First Preferences would be expected. DRS won't have any influence on the election

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122771299#Comment_122771299

They won't lose any in their core vote because those GP voters knew it was GP policy.

Maybe some floating voters are disillusioned with DRS.

Also opposition voters might question why Labour, Sinn Fein, Social Democrats and others supported the introduction of DRS.

Overall I don't see it being a deciding factor.

nachouser

The bin yokes are starting to appear.

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122771699#Comment_122771699

This is just another kick in the teeth to those that suggested that one thing that could have assisted the "old" scheme, was specific bins for recyclables - it never works we were told, people abuse them.

I've not known anywhere they were every trialled wholesale in public spaces but sure look, it'll be different with these plastic bottles……

No issues with trying to "improve" this scheme just the lack of trying to improve the scheme that had been in place for a few decades is what gets me.

batistuta9

what way does the deposit payment work again?

are producers paying return when they put them on the market. return would be getting 10s of million a month, bound to be making something from that too

greasepalm

Nothing to do with producers as its like an extra tax we pay when buying bottles and cans and that money goes to the DRS and when we return it properly we get refunded the tax.

Less bottles and cans littering the streets and most of products sold goes back to recycling properly.

Atlantic Dawn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122771699#Comment_122771699

I saw someone on social media place a 500ml Coca Cola bottle on one of them and then they blew at it and it fell out on the path, the wind is going to just blow them all on to the street.

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122773203#Comment_122773203

most of products sold goes back to recycling properly.

Source?

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122771699#Comment_122771699

I heard the CEO of Dublin City Council talking about them on Newstalk earlier.

He said they are trialling 80 of them.

nachouser

I cannot say if the bin yokes are good or bad. It's just a photo of them existing on a street I frequent.

dxhound2005

The ones in Denmark look like the bottles would blow away in the wind. But I expect that in the Copenhagen and Dublin locations, the bottles would not hang around for long anyway. And those who throw them on the street won't be concerned about the wind. I notice in the press release that the company who are doing the new bins are from Wexford. But their very well appointed website makes no mention of them.

https://www.hartecast.com/

Copenhagen just introduced this recycling tray at public trashcans. It is meant to help people collect bottles for recycling (in Denmark, returning empty bottles to stores rewards cash)June 10 2015

jj880

Nevermind IBAN refunds, bulk return machines, exemptions for airports / home delivery. Bin surrounds are the big new feature of Re-Turn.

The big producers still pumping out plastic containers, the reps on the Re-Turn board creaming it, CEO Foley and Ossian must be having some laugh to themselves.

Fecking bin surrounds.

dxhound2005

Yes, the bin surrounds are definitely the way to go. The scheme is open to ideas from anywhere, and other additons will no doubt follow. Just like long existing schemes in other countries evolved over the decades.

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2024/1017/1460599-ireland-deposit-return-scheme-innovations/

Holders on the sides of bins for bottles and cans

Right now, if you buy a drink while you're out and about, there's no handy way to get rid of the container without locating a reverse vending machine or a shop that will take it back over the counter. But in countries like the Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark, you'll find bins with holders where you can leave your empty bottle or can. The idea is to pay it forward by passing on your deposit to someone who might need it more than you. But it's also simply about making sure bottles and cans don't end up in regular bins or as litter in nature.

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122773821#Comment_122773821

Why exactly weren't bin surrounds a feature of this scheme at inception? Seems to be a bit of an oversigh if they work so well else where.

Why weren't bin surrounts or even bins specificilly for cans and bottles on public streets part of our previous return scheme I wonder?

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122773894#Comment_122773894

It was a lot quicker than Denmark. They did not come up with the idea until 2015, 13 years into their scheme.

Deebles McBeebles

Surely it's time we named the bin yokes? We have the floozie in the jacuzzi etc. The rim on the bin?

Shan Doras

Someone mentioned that they've noticed no more bottles and cans on the ground. Everyone ive seen going around the town picking up discarded bottles and cans is the the sort of person who has spent all their dole on drink or drugs or the bookies and is now flat broke until the next dole day, Basically What I'm saying is that, broke long-term unemployed addicts picking up pieces of trash for the sake of 15cent is nothing to be proud about .

marvin42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774852#Comment_122774852

I will pick up bottles and cans from the street and bushes. Why would you think only "broke long-term addicts" do that? ..…and why would you have a problem with that anyway?

lisasimpson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774852#Comment_122774852

That's a awful comment. I see plenty who dont fit that description picking up items. And many groups doing it now too. I see a local secondary school doing it here as a ty project to raise money for school equipment. I do it myself the odd time too when out with the buggy.

Today was the 1st day the scheme annoyed me but it's more the retailer. 1st time using a local dunnes to return items and machine was v fussy rejecting loads of items. Didn't have the same problem previously using machines at either Tesco and Lidl. Will probably avoid using the Dunnes one again

elperello

Me too 😊

I've redeemed quite a few deposits on cans and bottles I picked up.

If anything I'd say the people who litter their drinks containers have little to be proud about.

Shan Doras

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774961#Comment_122774961

It's absolutely the reality in the overwhelming majority of situations. Who do you think was so desperate to empty out public trash bins searching for bottles? Haven't you heard that councils have had to add bottle racks to bins hoping to stop that.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122775027#Comment_122775027

You started out complaining about people picking up litter.

Now you have moved on to people who actually litter.

There is a difference.

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774002#Comment_122774002

And we launhed our scheme, that apparantly learned from other shemes 7 years later than 2015 and didnt think at the time that this was worth pursuing? You do see the issue - right?

Bigger issue, again, is that nothing was ever done to enhance the "older" much more straightforward scheme like this - instead it was replaced with less environmentally friendly scheme that wasn't actually thought through at all……….

Genghis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774964#Comment_122774964

On the comment about schools. I am on the parents council of a secondary school and a running agenda item is how to raise funds to support the school (the other fixture item is how to spend said funds).

Anyhow, I suggested the installation of a few 'Parents Council' secure bins in the cafeteria area, as I had seen that most kids are not be arsed bringing home bottles / just throw them in regular bins.

I had prepared myself to outline how a rota could be drawn up for emptying these and how cash could be given to the treasurer etc when the chairman politely closed the idea down. Later he told me that the cleaners would be very upset if we took that money from them.

Now consider how tips evolved from an occasional, nothing-to-declare source of income for lowest paid staff. Today tips are declared income, taxable and subject to dispute / regulation, so much so a business now must have a policy and advise where tips go (the company, the employees shared, or the server),

In due course 'casual' earnings from DRS will surely go under a similar spotlight.

marvin42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122775027#Comment_122775027

The overwhelming majority of ppl picking up cans and bottles are "broke long-therm addicts"?? 🤣🤣🤣

CH3OH

Wrong thread ! doh!!

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122775572#Comment_122775572

Wrong thread cawlur 😊

batistuta9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122773203#Comment_122773203

it is, everyone in the chain is paying the deposit. you, shop, wholesale, producer. not sure when return are getting this though, when something is manufactured/imported or just when bought by shops

producers are also paying some fee for having products on the market.

zell12

NI supermarkets sell Lucozade and Miwadi with the Ɍ on

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122788593#Comment_122788593

And, as said earlier in the thread, you can get the deposit amount back here. My relatives keep them for me.

zell12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122788730#Comment_122788730

We need an updating list somewhere of NI products that have the Ɍ logo

dxhound2005

If everyone in the supply chain is going by the rules, then it is allowed and they will be paying for it. But the shopper outside of Ireland does not have to pay a deposit. That's how I read it.

https://re-turn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Webinar-on-International-Barcodes-09.11.2023.pdf

https://re-turn.ie/wp-content/uploads/International-Barcodes-Cross-Border-Challenges-FINAL.pdf

"International (shared) Barcode. This is defined as a barcode that is used in ROI along with another jurisdiction. This barcode will be registered for DRS with Re-turn and may be subject to surcharges in addition to material specific producer fees due to the additional fraud risk associated with their usage."

We could also do with a list of the shops which are supposed to be selling non logo stock in this country. I have seen claims on the thread alleging that.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122773894#Comment_122773894

Because they were never even considered and,

"The idea is to pay it forward by passing on your deposit to someone who might need it more than you."

is only PR spin on pure desperation by councils who found themselves saddled with problem of night raiders - so called "unwell" members of society who go around every street bin with screwdriver prying them open. Then they promptly dump content on the ground while they search for the gold. 9 out of 10 don't bother putting rubbish back and close them back again. And why would they bother as council workers have to clean it up in the morning anyway.

Bin surrounds are not any positive move forward but a reaction to a problem caused by introduction of DRS.

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122797348#Comment_122797348

Good point. When something is inconveniencing the Council they dont have to wait for the "1 year review of the scheme" as we all keep getting told on here any time an obvious issue with Re-Turn is brought up. Airport, housebound customers or anyone who wants the option of IBAN deposit refund can get fecked.

Atlantic Dawn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122790021#Comment_122790021

Yes good idea, have started one in the NIRL Bargain Alerts thread, a nice subsidy to recover petrol costs for a trip 😁

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058379517/products-sold-in-nirl-that-work-in-drs-in-roi

dxhound2005

The "unwell" are active around our roads, mountains and beaches. A spot along a road I cycle is usually populated by tyres and matresses. But yesterday it was a 1,000 litre plastic oil tank. I don't think the Mafias who are in the Dodgy Box game and other assorted scams will get involved in DRS fraud. But they are well into dirty goings on in general waste.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001hf1w

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dxhound2005

An example from Scotland / Westminster on how not to organise DRS.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yrgzvgld5o

odyssey06

Seen on Twitter...

The man in front of me in SuperValu handed in his receipts for the Deposit Return Scheme…€169.50

The staff were taking pictures and all

https://x.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1853843356780019887

dxhound2005

If it was a single receipt he would be a prize idiot. Receipts means it could be months of returns.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122803994#Comment_122803994

True. Another posssibility - it could be one load he broke up into several batches / receipts.

If one load, I hope shop had multiple RVMs.

zell12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122803976#Comment_122803976

😐️ 🤨

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122774852#Comment_122774852

What a horrible description of the volunteers from Tidy Towns and from Canal and Beach clean-ups.

https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/2024/10/14/deposit-return-scheme-leads-to-massive-reduction-in-plastic-bottles-and-drinks-containers-found-on-shores-by-coastwatch/

"The annual Coastwatch autumn survey has found “a massive reduction” in plastic bottles, aluminium cans and steel tins washing up on Irish shorelines following the introduction of a deposit return scheme earlier this year."

Quite clear that the scheme is working as intended.

harryharry25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122807202#Comment_122807202

If you had a 21st party or wedding party in a marque at the house, easily could be that amount of cans left over

thesandeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122809518#Comment_122809518

Or they could be from a pub or restaurant.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122810481#Comment_122810481

Or they could have kept every receipt from day 1 and used them towards a big shop or special event. I know people keeping them like a savings club.