Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123372481#Comment_123372481

well you do copy and paste “your opinions” from Twitter so being active on this thread shouldn’t be too much of a drain on your time…..

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373225#Comment_123373225

I think people don't support the fact he wasn't given due process.

All those gang tattoos, assault, being a member of a gang etc… are all alleged, once he's in front of a judge in the US, ICE etc.. can hammer those allegations with the evidence to the judge and then he can be given his due process.

Imagine that, all those people screaming for due process, the Trump administration can strongly request the El Salvadorian government extradite him to get his due process and if the evidence is as cut and shut as they say, they can easily put the issue to bed and legally deport him. Case closed and all the media focus around these deportation ends.

Now ask yourself why the Trump administration haven't gone down that route and would rather be found in criminal contempt?

Mattyonthepatty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123372676#Comment_123372676

49.8% of the Americams who voted, voted for Donald Trump on Nov 5th. A quick Google will prove this point correct.

Now if you could please prove that all of Donald Trump's base is stupid and full of hatred??

i imagine this won't be a problem for you as it would be a shame and worrying development for a moderator to be posting vindictive falsehoods about a whole voter base.

I patiently await your reply. My inbox is also open if you would rather take the conversation privately to stop filling the thread.

My suspicions are though that you will post a snidey one liner and not back your position, I will get some sort of infraction for this post, leaving the echo chamber that this thread is to continue churning out hatred without any opposition.

Mattyonthepatty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373225#Comment_123373225

They support all of them as long as it's the opposite of what Donald Trump says.

cj maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123372857#Comment_123372857

I think the Pee tapes . He has something over him

BP_RS3813

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123372398#Comment_123372398

Its the US president, not a fecking cooking show. You can't just go 'errors were made, lessons learned' as the president after collapsing the economy and more.

extra gravy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373300#Comment_123373300

Funny, the "errors were made, lessons learned' excuse was never afforded to Biden. Yet Felon47 can make as many catastrophic errors as he wants and he's given a free pass by the fan club. As I said previously, his defenders aren't serious people, just idiots, trolls & sycophants.

8-10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373230#Comment_123373230

A gang officiate? Sounds formal!

I don't think anybody has a problem with someone going to prison if found guilty of a crime

Law and punishment is all about precedence. Anybody approaching this in good faith can see wider than this single case when it comes to the precedence it sets

The Trump administration has said he was deported in error. What do you think the government should do when they deport people in error, in general?

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373230#Comment_123373230

It's a strange one alright. This guy sounds like someone you wouldn't want to invite round for dinner, yet he's the one chosen to be the standard bearer against this?

When NACCP decided to push a test case on segregation in Montgomery they chose Rosa Parks. This wasn't because she was first to refuse to move on the bus, it was because she was the ideal candidate. She was a firm, respected and respectable woman that couldn't have any mud thrown at her to discredit her.

Despite the absence of due process being genuinely troubling here, the US public are not going to fall behind a wife beating man that sports gang tattoos.

Leroy42

Nobody is falling behind anyone.

It's the principle of due process and adhering to the constitution that is the issue.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373265#Comment_123373265

Repeating nonsense does not mitigate it being nonsense. Since you're clearly twisting my words, I won't engage further.

8-10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373350#Comment_123373350

That's the whole point

If you want to start deporting people and imprisoning them abroad without due process, you don't start by picking up a liberal LGBT+ protest leader off the street and doing that first, you obviously pick someone who would appear unsavoury to most

Then the reaction can be "yeah he didn't get due process but he's probably a bad guy so it works out"

And this is clearly working as some of the posters here have fallen for it, as have a huge amount of Americans

Start turning a blind eye to this and guess who's next? US Citizens:

The president said he loves the idea of sending U.S. citizens to El Salvador. “I would only do according to the law,” Trump said. “But I have suggested that, you know, ‘Why should it stop just at people who cross the border illegally?’ We have some horrible criminals, American-grown and born.”

When some people actually start realising what's happening it will be too late

But I fully expect they'll continue to Bury their heads in the sand and double down in the meantime because they're either too proud to climb down or literally can't understand why it's not OK for tattooed man to be in prison right now after an admitted error with no release date

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373350#Comment_123373350

Despite the absence of due process being genuinely troubling here, the US public are not going to fall behind a wife beating man that sports gang tattoos.

You can't start out deporting political prisoners, you have to get people used to the idea of deportation without trial by starting on people the general public don't care about so much.

looksee

The first pic is the totally unconvincing 'tattoo' that Trump is claiming prove Garcia is an MS13 gang member - Trump posted this, and the second pic is of Garcia when he met Senator Chris Van Garland recently. This image is taken from the website of Said Bukayle, there is no sign of the tattoo letters that Trump is claiming.

BP_RS3813

I genuinely can't understand whether trump is just an overconfident ejet, or Putin has something on him. Must be some embaressing sh*ite to have him pull all this off.

osarusan

I have no comment on whether the symbols actually mean what they are claimed to mean, but TBF, surely the numbers and letters (and words under the tattoos) are just added to the image to explain the meaning of the tattoos, rather than faking the photograph to make it look like the actual letters + words MS 13 are tattoed onto his hand.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373454#Comment_123373454

I get that, although that is also the slippery slope fallacy too. What I'm finding difficult to understand is how Abrego Garcia was chosen (and it was a choice as hundreds were deported in similar circumstances) as the person to rally around to form an opposition.

I referenced how NACCP were far more strategic when they chose Parks. They chose her carefully because they knew the standard **** that would get thrown would not stick. That's how you win over the middle.

This man has not received due process, but at the same time I can't see middle America getting up in arms over him considering his background. In the oppositions rush to find a totem they have chosen poorly. The Trump Administration will be easily able to bat away concerns about Garcia and as you say shift the dial further along to what is acceptable now.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123372695#Comment_123372695

It turns out he got it right where the SCOTUS decision is concerned. I wont bother subscribing or buying the merch, ta very much. There are already too many people using public elected office as a sales office.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373490#Comment_123373490

It does seem a bit slippery slope, but I reckon they'd ultimately like to be able to disappear political prisoners eventually. It's standard dictator's handbook stuff. The leaders Trump holds in high regard make good use of it.

This man has not received due process, but at the same time I can't see middle America getting up in arms over him considering his background. In the oppositions rush to find a totem they have chosen poorly. The Trump Administration will be easily able to bat away concerns about Garcia and as you say shift the dial further along to what is acceptable now.

Agreed, I can't see people getting up in arms about this particular guy, but action has to be taken when anyone doesn't get their fair trial. I'm not sure they can sit back and wait for the perfect poster boy to show up while planeloads of people are sent off to who knows what conditions. Al Capone got a fair trial despite the dogs on the street knowing what he was about, and famously, it was for tax evasion, a crime close to Trump's heart.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373485#Comment_123373485

I saw that they were trying to justify it that the tattoos were code for MS13;

Marijuana leaf = M

Smile = S

Cross = 1 (that one they didn't expand on, even though if a cross were to represent a number it'd either be 2 for 2 lines, or 4 for 4 points)

Skull = 3 (that one they didn't even try to explain)

Neamhshuntasach

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373470#Comment_123373470

I don't think they are saying the MS13 are on his hand. They are putting that there to imply that each symbol means. But it is nonsense. MS13 do no have tattoos like that.

I've spent a lot of time in El Salvador after travelling there in my early twenties. I worked in a school and then got involved in volunteering there each summer. And I still go back at least once each year. I've come across all walks of life there from young kids getting mixed up in the gang life, to those actively involved, to ex members and helping with re-education programs.

And I have never come across any tattoos like that. They don't get tattoos where individual letters are like a code for something else. They are more literal and also generally more local to their barrio or set they are with. They will use a single symbol to represent something. The symbols used here just don't make sense. A majajuana leaf and a smiley face are not used as some code for MS. A cross is more so used by MM12 and a skull by 503s or 18RHLM.

I know next to nothing about the guy. All I know is that due process was not followed and should be very concerning. I also know there is no way they are MS13 tattoos. I've also been talking about this with friends from El Salvador and they thought it was hilarious that they would be considered gang tats. Anyone who thinks they are has obviously never seen any MS13 gang tattoos.

17togo

I have first hand experience with a MAGAs this week. The wife's cousins are staying with us. So inevitably a politics discussion happened last night. Its mad to actually see it in real life. Everything bad that's ever been said in the media about Trump has been lies. The rape conviction is a lie, he doesn't believe her because how could she not remember exactly when something like that happened to her, and it was only a civil conviction anyway so it doesn't count. The American economy was in the toilet under Biden but its actually doing really great since Trump took over. The Tariffs, the same lines that you here from trump were used, why shouldn't we tarriff other countries like they do us…etc. I also brought up the Greenland thing thinking surely he'll see that one as being a bit mental….nope, genius plan to stop the Russians and Chinese getting it first. It was quite something to behold in a way listening to it.

His biggest gripe about the media, who are all liars, was that none of them pointed out that Biden was mentally incapable to run the country and shouldn't have been incharge of nuclear weapons. I did point out that there probably lots of countries that aren't happy with trump being incharge of nuclear weapons either…

I started trying to debate him on stuff but quickly realised there was no point. Its very strange, for someone who otherwise is just a regular guy to be so brainwashed when it comes to politics, his wife the same, although she isn't as outspoken, she just says she does like trump but doesn't really like getting into discussions about it. He did point out that Trump really isn't a Republican to which I replied yeah its like a whole new cult, and he kind of agreed! 😂

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123372635#Comment_123372635

Since Trump was re-elected [his second term] to the presidency, he's done more damage in the 4 months since to the US than Biden did in his 4 year term. The truth is that 49.8% of the US voters did not vote for Trump, they voted for the "best" candidate the GOP gave to them. If the GOP voters had chosen one of the other GOP candidates, the US probably would not be in the mess it is currently in internally and internationally.

The "anyone but a democrat" also applied when the voting took place, the dislike for the other party factor. Anyone denying that the "dislike" for the other party was a factor in the vote result is in denial. The evidence of the "A.B.D" factor is from the era of Trump's first run for the office. The "lock her up" chant where Trump's intent to destroy the US became self-evident, forego the trial, down with the courts lead to the effigy of his V/P hanging from the scaffold at Trumps fanbase "peaceful" protest in 2021.

Being a political opponent of Trump in either party is dangerous to one's physical health and family and now is not the best time for those in the GOP.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373225#Comment_123373225

You've said this more than once, show us the photos please. Trump himself appears to be citing typeset on his knuckles which pretty clearly isn't a tattoo.... So it's weird how Trump isn't showing us all the tattoos you've seen.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-kilmar-abrego-garcia-hand-b2735920.html

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373535#Comment_123373535

My old mother in law who was a devout Catholic used to assert all the clerical abuse cases were made up and an a media invention. On nearly every other topic you could have a rational conversation, but say anything negative about the RCC and it was a personal attack.

I guess some people have personalized their vote for Trump.

Edit to add what will survive of a personality cult after he expires?

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373589#Comment_123373589

Grandmother was exactly the same. She was so indoctrinated into the RCC that she refused to believe a priest could do any wrong. Everyone was making it up to get money or attention.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373557#Comment_123373557

Throw enough **** long enough it'll stick [in peoples memories] for them to quote it as proof…. What it's proof of is lost in the argument Trump and Co want to happen.

kyote00

Given all the promises he made and his abject failure to deliver any of them.
He is under pressure for a win.

I think we can expect he will pick the softest target (Zelenskyy?) , fold to all Putins goals and call it a success

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373535#Comment_123373535

What tends to work better is showing them how they've been conned or tricked, you'll see posters here run away or disengage when confronted with it as self-actualisation occurs (funny one right now for the posters using Maher as an evangelist for a trump character, Maher knows what he's doing to you).

Leroy42

The bestest ever negotiater in the whole world ever is now saying that far from being able to sort out the Ukraine war within 24 hours, he'd just pick up the phone, is now saying it's all a bit difficult and he is getting fed up.

Reminds me of his repeal and replace Obamacare scam where he admitted it was too complicated for him to understand so he just gave up.

Same with the wall. Nobody knew more about building that he did, apparently, but it got a bit difficult so he just gave up.

And yet still you have people in the US, and here, saying he needs more time and we can't judge him so a while yet!