Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135986#Comment_123135986

You seem to be continuing to ignore the fact that Trump is saying the Palestinians should permanently leave. That's why Netanyahu is so happy, he is enabling the ethnic cleansing of the region. You seem desperate to justify it so go that way but it's still ethnic cleansing.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135986#Comment_123135986

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135994#Comment_123135994

Dont get why you guys arent happier at Trumps peace plans. This is exactly what ye wanted and ye are getting it.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135283#Comment_123135283

The ‘enterance’ by those SIX Musk Babes into the offices of USAID and got unfettered access to all the sensitive info - and similar re other federal bodies HASME COMPLETELY BAFFLED. They were/ akin to the attempted ‘take over ‘of the Capitol on that ‘famous’ Jan 6 th invasion

Three things clearly struck me re the USAID episode, namely:-

(1) I assume that all sensitive info on computers is not available to all staff in the organisation - only available to senior staff and only on a need to know basis. These staff would need to know the code/ needed to access this info. So what are the protocols in place in handing over these codes to ‘non staff’/ ‘non officials’/‘ strangers who just walk into the office’? . Unless some stranger/s walked into the office, Trump having declared a STATE OF IMMERGENCY , the stranger had a letter from Trump re The SOE and was accompanied by soldiers so as to enforce the order re takeover

(2) what were the security guards doing in letting these 6 Musk BABES walk right in and get into the ‘bowls’

of the organisation. Did one not require codes for various doors to get through. Did the security detail not look for ID, letter of authority , etc.

(3) re the security guards/ staff responsible for security , why did they not put up a resistance like those security staff did on that ‘famous’ Jan 6th episode and why was police backup not called in for assistance ?

As per reports, I get the impression that the Musk contingent rocked up to the front door, were handed all the relevant keys and codes and were given the proverbial ‘tour of the building’ re what they were looking for

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135986#Comment_123135986

Where have the people of Gaza been living for the last 18 months? Why now do people pretend to give a sh*t about them? Just so they can justify the stealing of their land? They can fcuk all the way off with that, no one is buying it.

Who's money? The USA should pay for a massive chunk of it since they funded the destruction. So too the EU, the UK and all other countries who "supported Israels right to defend itself" as it carried out a genocide.

j62

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135970#Comment_123135970

Jesus, did he actually say all that?!

Boggles

Gaza the 53rd State after Canada and Greenland.

MABA

Make America Bigger Again

spockety

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123136008#Comment_123136008

I think the fact that you're not sure means it doesn't actually matter if he said it or not...

j62

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135994#Comment_123135994

Biden is still being blamed? Wow

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135986#Comment_123135986

What's Trump's answer to that question and do you agree with it?
We are talking about Trump and you are incapable of defending his remarks on a moral basis without whataboutery and deflecting with more questions and "faux outrage". Well you have to engage in such tactics as you defend a rapist and someone promoting ethnic cleansing.

The Palestinians know if they leave they won't be coming back as owners of the land that's for sure. If allowed back in it will as second class citizens, they won't be the citizens in charge, the voters, the land owners.

And yes, that does happen all over the Middle East with such labour. If you know this and are pretending not to, that's utterly disingenuous. And if you don't know that, your claims about the region are completely self discrediting.

Trump talked about Gaza as a home, not to Palestinians, but to the "world's people." His words.
And here you are sane washing it
Did you think when you started defending and praising Trump you would end up defending ethnic cleansing?
Because that is the point you have reached.

So you're ok with Trump planning to ethnically cleanse Gaza, and turn it into a resort, and have the Palestinians work in the hotels servicing "the people of the world".

Glad we established that so quickly.

crusd

Trump is a pure peacemaker. Uniting the rest of the world excluding US and Israel. I can see the EU pivot towards China before long. Better to be aligned to the sane dictatorship than the insane one

Penn

I think the issue is clear for all to see; As despicable as Biden and the US's response was to the conflict and how they armed Israel and were basically a total limp dick in helping Palestinians, if Trump had been in charge, the only difference would have been it would have happened faster, with less pretence about caring about Palestinians, and the ultimate goal was always to drive Palestinians out of the region so it could be completely overtaken by Israel, with support and development by the US.

Palestinians will never be allowed to return to the region. They will be rehomed "temporarily" while Gaza is being rebuilt, and then that "temporarily" becomes "permanently". They won't even be allowed to return to try and work in the region or anything, not a chance Israel lets anyone of Palestinian heritage in. There'll probably be a big f*cking statue in the middle of the new "Riviera" of Israeli soldiers crying over how sad killing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians made them feel.

After Hamas' attack on Oct 7th (and nobody is supporting or defending that despicable attack), it was always headed this way. All Israel needed was enough of a justification to start clearing out the entire region.

Sickening. And Trump's absolute callousness in his remarks last night are the perfect summation of the situation.

ronjo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135970#Comment_123135970

The scary thing is I had to read it twice before realising it was satire

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123136016#Comment_123136016

You left out the best bit

Biden Ethnic cleansing = despicable

Trump Ethnic cleansing = acceptable.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135748#Comment_123135748

WW3 but this time the arena will be the middle east and insurgencies in the US itself and this time they won't have the Brits and Russians to do the grunt work.

j62

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123136013#Comment_123136013

That’s the problem with Trump, him coming up with complete batshit crazy disjointed sentences doesn’t even make the news anymore

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135386#Comment_123135386

Trump HAS NOT A CLUE as to how Arabs/muslims - especially in that part of the world- want to live their lives. He should READ the KORAN for starters and study history in that part of the world especially. The situation becomes even more complex when one throws in the different sects/ tribes/clans /etc that are present

scotchy

Sometimes its the little things that make people realise they've made a mistake. Like no more AliExpress, Temu, or those cheap trinkets from Hong Kong on eBay.

I'm guessing Trump and Musk don't use them, but a lot of Maga's do.

US postal service have stopped accepting packets from China.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3w83x38zvwo

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briany

Episode one the classic documentary series, The World at War - "A New Germany"

Just to remind ourselves that the playbook doesn't change. Just some of the faces and the branding.

https://youtu.be/0b4g4ZZNC1E?si=mCDLhiKoqVBpd8PQ

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123136015#Comment_123136015

Indeed "Genocide Joe".

It just underlines the complete lack of scruples or moral compass the "centrist" movement possesses when genuine reflection of what Trump is licencing Isreal to do in Gaza is asked for. Will they look at the situation and think; "You know what, that's just monsterous and much worse than what was happening to them so far"?

No. Instead they will cart out an incredulous Trump-ish nickname for the President who actually managed deliver a ceasafire agreement, to counter critism for Donnie who while play-acting as a President is proposing something that will ensure that we will never see peace in the Levant for generations.

All while children stave to death in the rubble of Gaza for having the audacity of being born with the wrong faith or skin tone.

walshb

Have to really laugh at the Trump defenders wo used to say "at least Donald never started any wars."

PixelCrafter

I think you’re going to see at the very least major civil unrest in the US within a few months. They’re still in the deer caught in headlights mode.

If crude interventions and possible invasions are his approach to foreign policy it also won’t be long until he causes a major war and probably a lot of terrorism issues too.

It’s almost certainly the end of “The American Century” and I think we’re into multipolar world and probably the rise of oligarchs with private armies etc. I don’t think it’s all that much of a stretch of the imagination to see huge instability in the U.S. and the likes of Musk moving towards owning a militia and then organisations like the Wagner Group, with far better tech etc and huge financial resources emerging in a weak, chaotic but heavily armed state that’s being picked apart, much like Russia was, but with a lot more to pick…

You could also end up with the U.S. federal systems just being largely dismantled — blocs of states or individual large states ending up being far more autonomous, taking over functions that were federal, even if not being independent etc.

I don’t think many people ever thought the US could unravel as quickly as this, but it has been a slow build to get to this point — this wave goes back to at least the Tea Party GOP era.

Really once it’s clear that rule of law has failed to contain it and the systems haven’t worked and basic constitutional law and fundamental principles of government are being ignored without any consequence, that’s the point where it unravels. Countries operate because of a political and legal culture and a belief in systems and fundamental concepts. It’s not just about rules and ridged enforcement. That has broken down.

Europe’s going to get badly bounced around until it can consolidate properly — but it could potentially end up being a rock of sanity, particularly if the broader “West” can keep connected and remain stable.

I don’t think it needs to align with China. It just needs to not be consumed by the U.S.’ descent into chaos.

As for Ireland, if we become a safe haven for the boring multinationals we already host might be OK — if they all start rushing to pay tribute to the U.S. government and falling into line with Trump, we are in deep economic trouble.

j62

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123136047#Comment_123136047

Mar-a-Gaza?

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135423#Comment_123135423

on the law of averages , and for argument sake, it would be reasonable to suggest that approx half of the individuals , their siblings, relations , friends, neighbours will be significantly negatively affected by Musc, Trump, et al actions- most especially through their pockets. And institutions like mortgage providers, grocery stores , etc, might experience a reduction in demand for supplies / services.

Following on from the above, how will the half that voted for Trump vote in the mid terms/ next presidential election. ? The swing required by the Demos to win the next Pres election is not very big and if the above disaffected continue to be very unhappy then they may be enough to swing it for the Demos - of course it depends on who it puts forward for the position

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123105119#Comment_123105119

Hmm, this post aged well...

Field east

I suggest you hold off , for the moment, until we see what TheWest Bank will look like in, say six months from now. As you may not be aware the West Bank buildings were all VERY SUBSTANTIALLY intact/standing when Trump became president

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123136006#Comment_123136006

“Who's money? The USA should pay for a massive chunk of it since they funded the destruction. So too the EU, the UK and all other countries who "supported Israels right to defend itself" as it carried out a genocide.”

At least you’ve answered part of the question unlike others. Thank you.

I don’t actually agree that the EU should fund a rebuild- we certainly didn’t destroy Gaza so why should we pay for its rebuild? . There’s a complete naivety on this thread in terms of the future of Gaza - and no I haven’t endorsed Trumps plan.

Whatever country countries or regime provides money to rebuild Gaza will hold the keys to its future. You have mentioned America- well you’ve heard Trumps position on that - he’s more than willing to rebuild Gaza- but it comes at a price.

Every single entity that provides funding for the rebuild of Gaza will have a price - the only question now is, at what price will this funding be accepted ?

This is Trumps opening offer- it’s much easier to post outrage than it is to post a constructive suggestion as to what are the alternatives - maybe some Arab countries will come together with a proposal - let’s see what they say - but I’ve no doubt there will be equal outrage at their suggestions

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123135682#Comment_123135682

In the past I would have tended to agree. Trump was the walking embodiment of "all mouth and no trousers" as the saying goes.

But these past few weeks feel different. It feels like he will actually do a lot of this stuff.

The sheer volume of Executive orders , most of which far exceed the legal scope of that power just seem intended to swamp everyone with so much sh!t that a huge amount of stuff gets by un-noticed.

This time around he has quite literally no adults in the room given the age profile of the Doge "consultants" that are running through the Federal government like a dose of the clap.

The big international stuff like "Take over Gaza and the Panama canal" probably don't happen because international laws and interests will stop him , but his destruction of the fabric of the United States seems like it could truly happen unabated.

At least until the mid-terms where the GOP will at the very least lose the House , but again given the fact that most of what he is doing is via executive fiat or just Musk doing whatever the f*ck he wants , even taking back the House might not stop him.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123136118#Comment_123136118

Where I'm sitting, it's much easier to not support ethnic cleansing than to flippantly treat as a profit and loss balance sheet.

It's appalling to read such tripe.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123136016#Comment_123136016

Do point out where I have supported Trumps proposal. I appear to have missed that myself- must be dementia kicking in

Trampas

Ukraine’s can move into neighbouring countries and he could turn Ukraine into vegas of Eastern Europe that Russians can go to. Maybe that will be his idea to stop that war