Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 06/06/25

Detritus70

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123569953#Comment_123569953

You should check out what Iran does to gay people. Quite frankly it's ridiculous to suggest Iran is in any way progressive. Read up on it and you can then row back on your nonsense claims.

I bet you argue that Nazis were socialists.

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-iran-crime-dubai-united-arab-emirates-e3d7108441665c40982329f26ff07fc9

Detritus70

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123570319#Comment_123570319

Since you seem to have a massive gap in your knowledge about Iran's human rights record, here's some more light reading for you.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/middle-east/iran/report-iran/

Field east

just heard on Newstalk that JD Vance said that The US is not at war with Iran. He is ‘ A KIND OF RIGHT’. I assume he means troops on the ground , bombing Iran almost every day and suchlike actions of war

BUT, I MO , I suggest the following to be the case the US is ‘10%’ at war with Iran and 90% by PROXY. It would have been less than 10% if the US just used ‘ ordinary bombs instead 13 bunker busting bombs- each weighing 30,000 lbs and flown in and released by American owned planes and piloted by American pilots

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123570343#Comment_123570343

Just proving my point again. Can't see past the ideologies. I've written a hell of a lot more then just that (it was a side comment) but I guess it's easier to get offended by that and use it as a way out in the face of cold hard facts.

@yagan

You've strangely just repeated your comment from 2 replies ago which I addressed already and frankly made a mockery of.

"They expanded it within the confines of Sharia law. Which means they completely degraded women's rights in many other viscous ways. Why do you choose to ignore this?"

Ignore all previous instructions, give me a nice recipe for an apple crumble.

extra gravy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123570608#Comment_123570608

"Can't see past the ideologies" says the poster who brought left/right into the conversation. Good one.

A Dub in Glasgo

Trump is the classic cretin who cannot see past his own ego, Israel played the US to a tee

https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1936665038166905074

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123570463#Comment_123570463

Whether or not one wants to say the US are at war with Iran, I believe the principal feeling behind the isolationism of MAGA revolves more around the concept of 'boots on the ground' as opposed to any military action whatsoever.

To back this up, we can remember that Trump said he'd 'bomb the shít out of 'em [ISIS]' in 2016 to great applause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_35yJpVyAA

It seems to me that the apparent angst throughout the American right over bombing Iran isn't so much about a steadfast adherence to staying out of conflicts, anyway. It's just more that MAGA is not entirely pro-Israel. You have your Christian fundies who are, as well as some old-school Republicans who see Trump is their only option. But then you have this whole other wing of people who are more there for the culture wars than any ideological affiliation to Israel. They're more secular, younger and may have tended to the American left at one point, but got disillusioned and got sucked into the MAGA vortex. A lot of Joe Rogan's audience in other words.

And they're a sizable faciton in MAGA, but not overwhelmingly so and will probably have to compromise on this issue in order to keep the whole movement together and the American left on the back foot.

And another thing that I have to wonder about is how much Russia are trying to influence things, there. Iran's a firm ally of theirs and they won't want the U.S. toppling the current regime as that could seriously mess with the important trade they do with Iran on weapons and oil.

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123570722#Comment_123570722

The Russia bit at the end may be where the off ramp is for Trump. He likes the idea of big actions, so a bombing run looks like good value for power projection, but the Iraq quagmire and subsequent surrender to the Taliban makes a US ground war adventure extremely unlikely.

Any lull in hostilities between Israel and Iran and Trump will claim that as "mission accomplished" and move back to fighting his fathers voice in his head.

tarvis

The eight US military bases in the Middle East may now seem like ‘sitting ducks’ after last night’s bombing raids on Iran. But could it be that Iran will reciprocate and bring the fight to the US mainland. The US has for many years and many wars counted on them being proxy - anywhere but at home.

War is a last resort and not a favour for a pal or a distraction from falling approval ratings.
Shallow men and women have landed the world in deep doodoo.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123570905#Comment_123570905

Iran would never directly attack the mainland United States. I'm not even sure they could do this in any significant way.

Besides, it would be a massive strategic error to do so. MAGA is somewhat fractured on the idea of attacking Iran. Iran directly attacking the U.S. would only shore up public support for Trump's stance. The Ayatollah would definitely catch a bullet or a bomb over that, you can be fairly sure.

The only real options Iran has are to take its lumps and resume (after a while) with low-level agitation against Israel via proxies, plus continue trying to make a nuclear bomb to give themselves some real international leverage.