Is this standard for junior infants

gym_imposter

Hi all

Our daughter is in juniors ( her brother in first class) and she spoke at dinner this evening about how the teacher effectively gave a sex ed class today at school

The teacher had a boy doll and girl doll and places them in a bath ,she then explained the difference between boys and girls and identified parts by official name

Her brother didn't receive this kind of class , both my wife and I are unhappy that no consulting of parents took place

I thought the new SPHE curriculum hadn't commenced yet ?

As long as they don't tell them that the boy can become a girl and girl become a boy...

But junior infants is prob a bit soon for any such talk.

Exp271

Home School

lawred2

Creep of a teacher

Hungry Burger

Shocking stuff if true.

Chocolate

The SPHE Curriculum has been in use since 1999.

The Infant curriculum states that

"The child should be enabled to …name parts of the male and female body, using appropriate anatomical terms"

See p. 23 of this pdf

https://www.curriculumonline.ie/getmedia/462570f8-27cc-4f5b-a13e-d1e2de8c18d2/PSEC06_SPHE_curriculum.pdf

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122063813#Comment_122063813

Yes , that's quite clear, we were surprised not to have been consulted though

The teacher in question is a dote, so sweet, I guess she just went along with orders

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122063763#Comment_122063763

She really isn't but I'm not happy about it as she doesn't need this kind of instruction at aged five

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122063748#Comment_122063748

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122063763#Comment_122063763

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122063772#Comment_122063772

For teaching children parts of the body like penis, vagina and testicles?

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122064074#Comment_122064074

Parents are more than capable of providing this kind of instruction at home, our five year old already knew she was different to her brother

Hungry Burger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122064074#Comment_122064074

I never learned any of that in school until 5th or 6th class. It should be left to parents at that age, and rightly so.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122064134#Comment_122064134

Some parents are morons and don't teach their kids stuff like this.

You should home school your kids if you think learning parts of the body is "shocking stuff".

Smee_Again

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122064097#Comment_122064097

Not all parents are though.

And by your logic pretty much the entire junior infants curriculum can be taught at home.

Its worth pointing out that kids who know the real terms for their genitals are less likely to be abused.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065540#Comment_122065540

That's some leap

Where did I question the general teaching practices elsewhere?

I pointed to a specific area

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065502#Comment_122065502

You think there are parents out there who don't explain to their kids about body parts ?

Smee_Again

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065545#Comment_122065545

Expand on what?

I never said you questioned the teaching practice elsewhere.

Apiarist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065502#Comment_122065502

Completely agree. If the OP is shocked by a sweet, doting teacher identifying physical differences between boys and girls, the OP can take their children out of the public system and keep them at home.

This will surely make their children well adjusted adults, just look at the Burke family or Josef Fritzl's. /sarcasm

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065556#Comment_122065556

you said going by my logic , the entire junior infants curriculum can be taught at home

Don't back peddle

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065563#Comment_122065563

That's just what we need here , hysterical reductiveness from a mob of smug liberals

wildwillow

Using the correct terms is important for the children and many parents don't teach same. It is also on the curriculum and needs to be taught. I hope you didn't make a fuss in front of your child as this gives her the wrong idea and promotes the shame that my generation was subjected to. Maybe you should question why your son's class wasn't taught this particular lesson.

The senior infant's teacher in my local school is visibly pregnant at the moment and the children, especially the girls, are interested in her progress, begging to see her scans. So far she has "forgotten" to show them, perhaps to avoid parent's concerns.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065553#Comment_122065553

Absolutely, you're a good parent, don't assume others are Gym_imposter! Some parent's don't teach their kids body parts, some parents spend more on cigarettes & booze than they do on nutritious food for their kids. Some parents smoke dope on their way to school with the kids!

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122064097#Comment_122064097

Parents are more than capable of providing instruction on basic arithmetic, basic English, basic reading and writing at home. Should we shut down all these lessons too?

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065602#Comment_122065602

We don't say penis and vagina at home,if the kids are having a bath , less clinical terms are used .

I disagree that "using the correct term is important "

It's important in biology class in secondary school or med school, not junior infants

As for your kids teacher being pregnant, my wife was pregnant ( twice ) while working in retail management, she didn't show her scans to anyone while at work, she kept the personal and the professional seperate which is of course appropriate

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065648#Comment_122065648

You're on ignore as I don't engage with report merchants

Smee_Again

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065566#Comment_122065566

I'm not back peddling, just not sure how to expand on a point that you clearly understood and is pretty self explanatory.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065699#Comment_122065699

Your point is nothing but broad brush reductiveness

Apiarist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065569#Comment_122065569

Yes, I agree. We bleeding hearts liberals do not want children being traumatised by parents who want to keep their children ignorant.

Back to the topic — you can annoy the creche by complaining about the teacher doing her job. What do you want to achieve? Force the creche staff to engage in meaningless interactions with you on every point of the curriculum at the expense of their main job? Or may be give them time to do their job as they see fit?

Smee_Again

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065708#Comment_122065708

No its not.

There's plenty on the curriculum that could be taught at home but is still done in school. So if that's your reasoning for being upset about kids being taught the correct term for their genitals then you'll need to explain why you don't have an issue with kids learning to count in school, or read, or PE etc.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065671#Comment_122065671

That’s fairly old school thinking. Using anatomically correct terms for body parts benefits kids body image, it removes any sense of shame or taboo around these body parts. That’s why teachers are teaching kids the proper words & most modern parenting books & literature also advises parents & caregivers to do so.

Calahonda52

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058348890/is-this-standard-for-junior-infants

Re this:

Her brother didn't receive this kind of class , both my wife and I are unhappy that no consulting of parents took place.

How broad a canvas do you envisage this consultation process applying to?

I teach chess to young kids and I refer to the black and white pieces.

In one class a child told me that I could not refer to the pieces as black.

The next class I brought in two paint samplers from Woodies, one white, one black….end of

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065739#Comment_122065739

Strange analogy

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065731#Comment_122065731

Yeah , I'm aware of received wisdom on various topics

Norrie Rugger Head

Oh FFS.

Why the hell should anatomical features not be named and identified?

They are not giving sex ed and they are not calling it a knob and pussy. This old catholic culture guilt is insane

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065676#Comment_122065676

That's a strange kind of ignoring.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065817#Comment_122065817

Because they don't need this kind of instruction, parents can provide it

The Catholic guilt label is tired reductiveness

SodiumCooled

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065947#Comment_122065947

What is wrong with teaching body parts? Teachers would prefer not to be discussing it too but they are required to do so and they are under no obligation to inform parents of what they will be teaching on a given day. Some crazy comments in this thread.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065775#Comment_122065775

It was probably viewed as received wisdom a couple of decades ago when it was first muted. Now it's convectional wisdom and it's accepted by both experts and pubic that it's better to use proper anatomical terms for penises, vaginas, vulvas, strotums, testicles etc… just as it is accepted to call fingers fingers and ears ears. In time they'll be saying "a kick in the balls" and "you're a pain in the gee" and all the other fun stuff!! but as young children, it's best they know the proper names for the parts of their bodies.

Crakepottle?

It's interesting to explore the origins of the terms ."You know, children, penis comes from an old language that nobody speaks any more called Latin. It means tail, any kind of tail.Vagina means a covering made to hold or contain something. It was Latin for a sword holder. What do we call that in English? With this approach there is less likelihood of unhelpful giggling and embarrassment in later years.The makey uppy names for body parts are silly and unnecessary.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122066225#Comment_122066225

Many of those so called experts are activists and ideologues , we will be withdrawing our kids from any instructions related to transgenderism etc

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065947#Comment_122065947

What percentage of parents actually do provide it though?

Apiarist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122066356#Comment_122066356

This is admirable, you are providing the instructions on transgender topics yourself? This is very forward thinking of you!

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122066460#Comment_122066460

Yes , I'm also providing instruction on the loch Ness Monster and the abominable snowman, a trio of made up stuff that some folks believe in

Padre_Pio

Didnt take long for this thread to take a turn.

Children should be taught this stuff in school, in a standardised and well thought out way. Leaving it to parents is ridiculous, you'd get all sorts of nonsense being taught.

This thread is an example of why sex education should be mandatory in schools and taken out of the hands of inexperienced, prudish and overly protective parents.

Smee_Again

It wasn't a turn, the thread was always going this way.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122063962#Comment_122063962

Is there a requirement for the teacher to consult you personally when she carries out her job in teaching the kids the names of body parts, because that is all this was from your description?

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122066356#Comment_122066356

Oh right, I honestly didn't see this coming. But you're way off & on the verge of paranoia here.

Teaching boys and girls the proper names for their body parts has nothing to do with transgenderism. In fact by teaching them proper & appropriate nomenclature it's differentiating the sexes, not confusing them.

Now I see why it's sometimes up to teachers to teach kids stuff they should know from home.

spurious

Ok troll agenda unmasked.

Goodnight and good luck. Plenty other places to rehash all this elsewhere.

Thread closed.

byhookorbycrook

Having the correct names is important for many reasons , one of which is child protection. I can’t understand the objection to using the correct name of a body part .
We encourage children to stop calling trains choo choo or dog bow wows as their speech develops . Why on earth would people not want to use the proper language in this instance.