Automatic Red Light and Bus Lane Cameras Coming

07Lapierre

they should include junctions that have yellow boxes and roundabouts too! It’s only taken 10years so I guess we might get yellow box cameras in 2035!

Beta Ray Bill

Quick one on this.

In Raheny there is fault with the lights at night time. If you're the only car on station road waiting to turn right on to howth road (towards town) you'll be waiting indefinately as the sensor in the ground is broken.

You either have to break the red light when no one is coming or wait for another car (thats going straight or left) to trigger the sensor in the other lane. It's been like that for weeks and weeks.

So now if I break the red light at 1am, I'm going to get a fine cuase the light is broken? Given how broke many of the lights are, will a fine or penalty points ever stick?

As far as the Bus Lane cameras go, Bus Lanes are designed to stop Buses being blocked by cars. If you're turning left and there is a line of traffic and there are no buses coming, I don't see what the issue is in entering a bus lane 50m early if you're going to be out of again in a few seconds and you're not obstructing any buses.

The only place I ever do this is on Malahide road at Clarehall turning left up toward the M50. if there is line of traffic going straight, I enter the bus lane where the blue line is, the bus line officially ends where the red line is. Will I be fined for this?

There is a very good chance that if this is the case, traffic will now back up to the Darndale roundabout and block buses as far back as there (There's only 2 lanes that far back).

Irish roads and junctions are so appallingly designed that I don't think this will work.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123029190#Comment_123029190

The only place I ever do this is on Malahide road at Clarehall turning left up toward the M50. if there is line of traffic going straight, I enter the bus lane where the blue line is, the bus line officially ends where the red line is. Will I be fined for this?

If they ever roll out the cameras everywhere, then yes.

Cars doing this exact same thing to turn onto Collins Avenue coming off the M1 were the cause of massive delays for buses until they eventually put ugly ass bollards the whole way back to the flyover. In heavy traffic they become a defacto left turning lane and cause massive delays.

A faulty light is a completely different scenario.

Xterminator

 I don't see what the issue is in entering a bus lane 50m early if you're going to be out of again in a few seconds and you're not obstructing any buses.

By the same logic you dont see any issue with driving through a red light at a junction if you can clearly see there are no cars etc coming the other direction. Its the same premise. Break the law because it saves you a second. The real solution is everyone obeys the rules of the road. Even the inconvienent ones.

If your chances of getting pulled over and fined were 100% then n one would ever break the rules. Conversely if the chances of being pulled over by a traffic cop is 0.01% some drivers will take the p|ss.

Thats why these lights would be a game changer. Because drivers know they will be caught, the majority will change their behavior faster than a car on the autobahn. Even the slow learners will get the message eventually or be off the road.

Pete_Cavan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123029190#Comment_123029190

For the red light in Raheny, the system would almost certainly fine you once it detects you progressing beyond the red. I'm sure you could challenge it, not sure if humans would rescind the fine on review.

For entering the bus lane early, it would depend on how the system is implemented. If fixed position cameras, then it would issue a fine if it detects a car where it shouldn't be. If there are no cameras nearby, then entering the bus lane early wouldn't be an issue. If bus mounted cameras, then it obviously would require a bus to be behind you. If the system is to detect running of red lights, fixed cameras would obviously be needed to traffic lights. That may be supplemented by other fixed position or bus mounted cameras.

Beta Ray Bill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123029367#Comment_123029367

I think that junction is a completely different problem.

There is no filter lane to turn left on that road (and there really should be)

The buses (Green Arrow) coming from Shantalla Road are trying to go straight into town and they have to intersect in a very short space with traffic attempting to turn left thats come from the N1 (Pink).

There are far better solutions available. A left filter lane would significantly help with this.

As shown in my previous post, buses rarely held up outbound at Clarehall due to the existance of a filter lane to turn left.

Traffic management should be about getting people where they need to go, not punishing them for not using public transport. I use PT all the time, but needed the car in Sunday to collect a Desk, I shouldn't be punished for wanting to collect a desk. But It still took me 40 mins to get from Richmond Road to Portmarnock due tocrappy traffic managment and 24 hour bus lanes with no buses in them.