Automatic Red Light and Bus Lane Cameras Coming

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065089#Comment_122065089

In the situation of the amber flashing light, cyclists in cycle lanes are meant to wait for the green pedestrian crossing and give way to vehicles on the road.

No they aren't. The amber flashing light is there precisely because they have priority to go straight ahead. This is, of course, assuming the cycle lane itself is on the road which is what I presume we are talking about here.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065104#Comment_122065104

This is what I'm imagining anyway. At the traffic island, the orange flashing light, cars follow orange line. Green highlight is cycle lane running parallel to road. Any other layout in my mind is dangerous

When it's safe for bikes to cross the road they get a green light like below

EVBusFan

What I imagine @loyatemu was referring to is a specific traffic light setup. So not the usual flashing amber in a left slip lane, but a left turn lane which would have to cross a cycle lane that will have a green cycle light.
An example:

https://twitter.com/DubCityCouncil/status/1379788326333464579

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065340#Comment_122065340

That's a dangerous setup in my mind. Cyclists going straight should be stopped in this instance until the red arrow for traffic turning left appears.

While I get that it's well intentioned it will cause confusion and inevitable injuries and even possible deaths

ARX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065340#Comment_122065340

I suspect that many people don't understand the meaning of a flashing amber arrow. I was once almost hit by a driver who drove through the flashing arrow (and the yield markings) straight in front of me at the Castleknock Rd/Navan Rd junction in Blanchardstown. I expostulated with her and her reply was a slack-jawed "I was following the arrow!"

So this will be a new source of danger. Cheers DCC.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065478#Comment_122065478

It is an incredibly common setup across the continent and while Irish drivers need education on it, it is also the most efficient set up - otherwise you need to lengthen the light sequence to have a left turn only segment. There is nothing inherently dangerous about it beyond drivers propensity to act dangerously.

loyatemu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065478#Comment_122065478

then cyclists end up having to stop at every bloody junction, and the result is they cycle on the road instead. The cameras (that are the subject of this thread) might encourage drivers to actually obey the lights.

VG31

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122064910#Comment_122064910

As a pedestrian I'm really not a fan of this. You often get cars impatiently inching their way forward or driving through gaps where people are crossing.

bk

I have to say as a pedestrian and sometimes cyclists, I'm horrified by these flashing amber arrows!

Most Irish motorists will absolutely think this means they can go without looking or yielding to cyclists, it is much worse in then the previous approach as most Irish drivers think an arrow means go and amber means go faster!

Cyclists will die because of this.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122067384#Comment_122067384

They work incredibly well elsewhere.

It is a concern, and the publicity about how they work should probably be more in your face. I refuse to believe Irish motorists are somehow uniquely incapable of using them however.

MakersMark

I'll miss brake checking the bus lane violators when they cut back in behind me!

Furze99

Was driving up in Dublin this week and saw a couple red lights run by cars but mostly those sailing through the red lights were ahem.. cyclists.

alentejo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122067720#Comment_122067720

I do think if the white zebra xing stripes are very visible on the road, it seems to empower a pedestrians right of way. I ped crossings are not really done very well compared to some euro countries.

VG31

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122067720#Comment_122067720

Incredibly well if you're in a car maybe.

I'm talking about my experience of right turn on red in other European countries. Thankfully we don't have that here. It's a policy that only benefits cars and is more dangerous for pedestrians.

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122067995#Comment_122067995

MOD: I was waiting for someone to mention this sort of whataboutism, so lets stop this right here, completely off topic for this thread, next person to mention this gets banned.

mikeybhoy

One dodgy turn in the city centre where this flashing amber should be implemented is the right turn from Ormond Quay onto Capel Street bridge. Not everyone would be expecting cyclists coming from their right whatever about their left either that or it should be a red for cyclists very dangerous junction.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122068120#Comment_122068120

Fair enough. They are ubiquitous where I live and I have no problem with them whatsoever nor does anyone I know and I don't mean in a car. But we also have oodles of zebra crossings that drivers actually stop at, so it all comes down to driver behaviour at the end of the day.

It does not "only" benefit cars though, it speeds up the light signals for everyone and reduces the time between pedestrian crossing opportunities compared to having a turn filter with a red man for crossing.

G_R

As mentioned, I don't buy that Irish Drivers are uniquely unable to use junctions like this.

The drivers in Toronto are worse than at home in my experience, but, as it's always been the way here that cars turning right yield to pedestrians and bikes, it's just not an issue.

It's just a matter of driver's being aware that this is how it should work.

As said by another poster, it really does speed things up for everyone, but especially pedestrians/cyclists. As a result, people are less likely to jaywalk - you'll be waiting max 30 seconds (avg 15) at the majority of junctions, so it's just not worth it.

breezy1985

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Pete_Cavan

It's not always the case that allowing cars to turn and cross pedestrians/cyclists speeds up the light signals. In the clip above DCC, traffic on Conynham Road turning left could get green to make that turn when traffic on Infirmary Road gets green to come onto Conynham Road. That would be far safer for pedestrians and cyclists. I'm sure the same applies at most junctions, the left turn can be made during an existing phase which has to remain and where pedestrians can't cross and cyclists can't continue straight anyway. Allowing those turns certainly is for the benefit of drivers alone.

For drivers turning left, it can be difficult to judge when there is sufficient time to turn across a cycle lane. Looking in a wing mirror (assuming they look at all) and cyclists travel at different speeds. It's a recipe for disaster and I would say will certainly contribute to driver frustration and injuries to pedestrians and cyclists.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122113433#Comment_122113433

A good way of overcoming that is to have speed limits in cycle lanes. Gives drivers a better idea of how fast a bike could be going

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119192#Comment_122119192

Bicycles don't have speedometers…

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122113433#Comment_122113433

I'm sure the same applies at most junctions

It would only apply at left turning T Junctions surely

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119326#Comment_122119326

Neither did cars before they were made mandatory, E scooters I think do

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119434#Comment_122119434

Well tell me this now as you have such clever ideas, how will the speed be monitored? GoSafe Vans in the cycle lane is it? Or a Gard with a hairdryer hiding behind a bus shelter?

loyatemu

reluctant as I am to engage with such a moronic idea; if the limit is 30km/h then 95% of cyclists will be under it already (a far better figure than for cars I'd guess) and if it's 50km/h then 100% of cyclists will be compliant.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122039336#Comment_122039336

I hope so, because all it does is give comfort that RLJers won't get caught out. Another bane of my life. If we got rid of the delay, we would have 6 months of crashes and then people would start behaving, instead at certain junctions we ahve increasingly longer delays.

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119434#Comment_122119434

No, most don’t have a speedometer!

The law on e-scooters hasn’t been enacted yet, but their speed will be capped at a maximum of 25km/h (possibly just 20km/h) which. Is well below the 30 km/h speed limit.

E-bikes are capped at 25km/h too and don’t require a speedometer either.

It is a completely stupid idea, I can safely say that 99% of cyclists never get above 30km/h in a busy city center. 15km/h would be pretty typical for a commute cyclists. To get over 30km/h, you are talking about serious folks on racing bikes and even then it is hard to actually do that on busy city streets with lots of traffic lights, etc.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119568#Comment_122119568

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119767#Comment_122119767

Considering cyclists are more likely to cause crashes than cars the limit should be much lower, I'd suggest 10km/h but I guess the cyclists won't like that

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119455#Comment_122119455

Ah yes the old nugget of "we can't police it so no point legislating"

We can't monitor every cocaine or heroine deal that goes on in the country so should we scrap the laws against them?

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119988#Comment_122119988

Considering cyclists are more likely to cause crashes than cars the limit should be much lower, I'd suggest 10km/h but I guess the cyclists won't like that

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