Iran has come out of the shadows and attacked Israel directly. **Read OP before posting**

cheezums

No one talking about genocide and dead aid workers today and the liberal west rowing in behind Israel and berating Iran for destabilizing the region. No mention of the attack on the embassy from anyone. You know, the attack against international law that Iran was directly responding to, with a measured and telegraphed attack and a statement that there would be no more.

mission accomplished from Israel. Masterful. And all it cost was a genuine potential for WW3. AH well. we had a good run.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122019751#Comment_122019751

That's exactly what he thinks.

irishgeo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020135#Comment_122020135

Perhaps the 7 missiles got through because they sent all the slow moving drones to keep iron dome busy.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122019874#Comment_122019874

And who trained the Savak death squads? A crowd very good at murdering ….. Mossad.

cheezums

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020155#Comment_122020155

that's bullshit. it was a quote from last night from some official, before the US calmed them down.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020107#Comment_122020107

so instead of citing the conventions themselves you’re going off some US article. Biased source under the circumstance.

“Targeted” or not Canadas embassy was attacked and damage and is sovereign Canadian territory.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020155#Comment_122020155

war mongers. They should be waging elections, not wars.

Beasty

Guilderstern threadbanned

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020214#Comment_122020214

The warmongers are the Iranian leadership.

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020194#Comment_122020194

okay my mistake no need for the bad language i'll remove. 👌

igCorcaigh

UNSC meeting now, being covered by Al Jazeera, for those who wish to watch.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020220#Comment_122020220

it’s not an either or, and if you were being honest, you entirely know that.

Bibi’s government was under deep scrutiny and he was under criminal investigation a year ago. Nothing to wonder about why he wants to plunge Israel into breathless warfare, or why he chose to attack a consulate immediately following critical losses of international and domestic support. Sure attacking the Embassy and provoking Iran to respond was great craic for getting the Israeli election protests out of the news cycle.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020205#Comment_122020205

I'll ask you again:

Where was the chapter and verse for your claim about their protected status? So what convention are you basing your claim on?

It seems a bad faith argument to demand "chapter and verse" from others of a standard you do not attempt to provide yourself.

I have no reason to doubt the content of the Economist article.

And here is the New York Times along similar lines:

Diplomatic buildings are entitled to broad protections from attack or other interference by the host country under international customary law, codified in the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and the 1963 Convention on Consular Relations… But while those rules of diplomatic relations are a bedrock principle of international law, they actually have little force in the case of the Damascus bombing, experts say, because they only refer to the responsibilities of the “receiving State” — in this case, Syria — and say nothing about attacks by a third state on foreign territory.

An embassy can lose those protections, however, if it is used for a military purpose, as is true of schools, homes, and other civilian buildings during wartime.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/world/europe/interpreter-israel-syria-embassy.html

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122019751#Comment_122019751

What about when those Republican sympathisers in dublin attacked and burnt the British embassy

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020245#Comment_122020245

you’re answering a question with a question. That’s bad faith argument.

Again you aren’t citing the convention just an American source with a bias against Iran in this case.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020251#Comment_122020251

The question is directly related to the original claim made.

I've cited two reputable news outlets, you have no real response to the content of the articles except in one case to say it is an American source.

And you aren't citing the convention either. You haven't even said which convention you are basing your claim on. So it is an entirely reasonable question to ask what the 'convention' you are basing your claim on says about their use for military purposes?

At this stage, you've provided exactly nothing of substance to support either your claim or refute the content of the two cited news articles. Your claims have no credibility, and you demand a level of proof from other posters you yourself does not even attempt to provide.

cheezums

does anyone actually believe the embassy was harboring the architects of the Oct 7 attack? Israel want a war with Iran to distract from their genocide and bring their US handlers fully on board. They are that psychotic. And they are going to possibly start WW3.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020251#Comment_122020251

With a bias against Iran?

The theocratic fascist entity that governs the country — against its own people, as well as to the region at large?

For sure, I'm against such a fascist state structure that has openly called for the the state of Israel to be wiped from the map.

Rugbyf565

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020145#Comment_122020145

Hamas are criminals but you have to understand that they’re a product of the effects of consistent historical colonisation and repression of their people and land. Being forced from your home in the middle of the night would radicalise anyone. So naturally you feel a bit more sympathy for them than for the Israeli state who are bankrolled by the billions by the Americans and Brits.

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122019981#Comment_122019981

Iran is a constant threat to Israel. Iran are behind Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah. They deserve plenty more smacks in the mouth. I have zero sympathy for Iran.

batman75

Iran had clear grounds to launch the attack on Israel. In the end it was powder puff stuff but it probably allows the regime tell it's people look we attacked them like we said we would. I would have preferred that hadn't attacked Israel as it won't bring back the men lost in the Damascus attack by Israel and it allows Netanyahu to play the victim. Look my poor little country has been attacked by the big bully Iran. All this diverting attention away from Gaza and the genocide there.

Netanyahu has belatedly realised he can't defeat Hamas. The attack on the Iranian consulate has achieved it's desired response from Iran. They would have been better keeping their powder dry and let Israel continue to cut it's own throat. It looks like Netanyahu is under pressure from his cabinet to respond. If he does, despite calls from the US not too, it should wake Biden up to the reality that Netanyahu feels he has the US by the short and curlies.

banie01

This may seem like a small thing to choose as being odd but it has bothered since the wires and News networks starting reporting it. The total number of weapons launched by Iran, versus the Israeli claim that less than 1% made it through.

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-could-claim-symbolic-victory-but-israels-defence-held-against-ambitious-attack-13115334

Now, this really is pedantry on my part but, Israel has said 331 weapons were launched by Iran, multiple sources claim that 7 missiles evaded air defences and hit Israel, is a touch over 2.1% it's such an immediately apparent error, yet no news network has queried it.

Regardless of my pedantic musing, Israel would have gained a great degree of confidence in their layered AD last night. Granted the volume of targets that entered the Israeli ADZ was whittled down by US, UK & French shooting down Drones and Cruise Missiles over Iraq and Syria, as well as any taken care of by Jordanian forces and/or Israeli aircraft operating over Jordan. The volume of targets that came danger close was certainly reduced by western action.

It paints a stark picture of what more air defence units sent to Ukraine could provide there. Its easy to preach from our neutral corner of the world but, the west really does need to afford Ukrainian (& Palestinian) lives the same value it places upon Israeli ones

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020265#Comment_122020265

reputable to whom?

you aren’t citing the convention you claim permitted the attack on the consulate. You’re simply regurgitating Google-fu from secondary sources of bias. There is nothing in the Vienna convention that states it’s okay to attack a consulate in XYZ circumstances. It does however state the inviolability of the premises and the people inside:

https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_2_1963.pdf

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020283#Comment_122020283

Then clearly you understand why they are less than useful to be cited here for their conjecture on what is and isn’t allowed under international law. Thanks.

aidanodr

take this or leave it

#BREAKING Hebrew Channel 14: The cabinet decided to attack Iran tonight

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1779602928858239078

Luna84

Why is there no satellite images of the Israeli airport so we can see the damage for ourselves. I know Israel are playing down the damage and a fool would know as well it is worse than they say as if the damage was small they would let the media in to show the damage.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020287#Comment_122020287

There's nothing radical about striking back at an entity that forces one from their home. Can it be called terrorism when one is killing terrorists?

Luna84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020337#Comment_122020337

WWIII. If that is true.

igCorcaigh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020337#Comment_122020337

For what it's worth, that twitter source has been dismissed by many.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020042#Comment_122020042

They cant even finish the job in Gaza so they resorted to pretty much carpet bombing civilians. How anyone think they can step up and fight a war with a country 75x bigger and over 9x bigger population with which they do not even share border.

Not to mention that if they even tried something similar they do in Gaza against Iran that the rest of the Arab world would likely not stay away.

Any major war in that part of the world will cripple and pretty much destroy world economy overnight sending us all to middle ages for decades to come.