The 2024 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

Fr Tod Umptious

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BTW, anyone know why the draw is at 3pm on a Tuesday? Seems an odd time, mostly these draws are made early on a Monday

Because it's a fix by the GAA because they want to give Dublin a soft draw and also want Kerry to be in the final also.

So they are doing it at an obscure time so not many will be taking heed.

dxhound2005

Jarlath is doing the draw to ensure that there will be no funny stuff. Except it might be fixed to suit Armagh.

https://www.gaa.ie/article/sam-maguire-and-tailteann-cup-seedings

flasher0030

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Very good. I was thinking the same thing last night when I saw them. You could really get a group of death from this.

From a Mayo perspective, if they lose on Sunday against Galway, we could have a group where seeds 1 could be either Dublin or Kerry, seed 2 Mayo, seed 3 Derry, and seed 4 Cork. That would be a tough group to get out off, and go on to win the final.

dxhound2005

If it is Dublin that would be a very neat group with one from each province. Did not happen in any group last year.

Mayo Seed 3 had Cork Seed 4 plus Kerry and Louth. Great win for Mayo away in Kerry. But only beat Louth by a point at home, and lost to Cork in Limerick. Every group will be fraught with danger.

overshoot

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3 come out of the group, I say poor cork…

Not really excited for the groups, bar who gets Clare, I can’t see a pot 4 side coming out but I may get surprised. It’s just a matter of who is QF and who gets an extra game

dxhound2005

Tailteann draw.

Group 1. Kildare, Leitrim, Longford, Waterford.

Group 2. Sligo, Antrim, Wexford, Tipperary.

Group 3. Fermanagh, Laois, Wicklow, Carlow.

Group 4. Down, Offaly, Limerick, London.

naughto

Down should do very well

MFPM

Nothing overly exciting in the Tailteann groups, group 1 perhaps the most interesting depending how seriously Kildare take the competition. Down and Sligo seem to be perhaps the strongest based on league & championship to date.

MFPM

So Dublin with Mayo/Galway and Roscommon and Cavan

MFPM

Kerry with Louth and Monaghan and Meath...Jesus Kerry will saunter through this!

MFPM

Mayo and Galway will be all out to lose on Sunday, win and in the group of 'death' ' lose and get Dublin but that aside an handy group.

dxhound2005

The draw:

soap1978

Monaghan always get a handy draw

YabaDabaDooley

Dublin (we should win Leinster final), Galway/Mayo, Roscommon and Cavan. I like this group will be some good matches.

soap1978

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Paddy lynch out for cavan is a massive lost

tobefrank321

They might as well not bother with the group stages, quarters and semis.

Dublin and Kerry have been handed such easy draws they will waltz to the final, especially with their strength in depth.

Everyone else will be exhausted or have loads of injuries by then. Donegal would be a prime example, dependent on older injury prone players like McBrearty. Galway another example, no way Walsh, Comer and Conroy will last the championship.

Dublin to win again, after a load of meaningless games between now and then.

tobefrank321

It becomes more of a joke every year. Teams have started to avoid the league final to the point they are talking of abolishing it. Now some teams could be disinterested in winning provincial finals to avoid certain groups, something that could have been avoided if the GAA held the draw after the provincial finals. The GAA are utterly hopeless.

gormdubhgorm

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You are right in that Dublin and Kerry can rest players. And give fringe fellas run outs if need be (given the nature of Leinster and Munster).

The only game that should cause difficulty for Dublin should be the runners up from the West.

At first glance group 1 looks the hardest to me.

gormdubhgorm

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Dublin took the league very seriously. Kerry (O'Connor) basically came out and said he was glad to be in it.

You could argue that the League helped Donegal, whereas there is the counter argument that it hindered Derry.

The playing "to lose finals" in the provincials could backfire though. If there is a shock or two somewhere else.

dxhound2005

It used to be great back in the day when they kept us waiting a month or more on the edge of our seats for the big games. And the 16 no hopers were disposed of after just one game.

In 1975 Kerry had this arduous journey to another hard won All Ireland.

15 June Tipperary 0-9 Kerry 3-13. 13 July Kerry 1-14 Cork 0-7. 10 August Kerry 3-13 Sligo 0-05. 28 September Kerry 2-12 Dublin 0-11.

Coillte_Bhoy

Seedings are farcical, should be base don league positions, the idea that Clare are second seeds by virtue of beating Waterford who finished bottom of Division 4 is insane whereas Derry are 3rd seeds.

munster87

Is there any way these draws could be made after the provincial finals? Or is it too short of a turnaround?

dxhound2005

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Derry, Dublin and Kerry would all have been Seed 2 last year by League position. They managed to win their provinces and got Seed 1 as a reward. Monaghan were Seed 3, even though they were higher up in the League pyramid than Derry and Dublin. But they overcame the odds to get to the AI Semi Final. It is a good system, which can throw up interesting outcomes.

Mayo, Galway, Roscommon and Tyrone would have been the Seeds 1 last year by League position. Only Galway justified that rating in the provincial championships.

BaywatchHQ

I can see Derry topping their group. People fear Mayo because they were a big name in the 2010's. They aren't contenders now.

billyhead

Is it the top 2 from each go into the quarters?

Fr Tod Umptious

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Now some teams will could be disinterested in winning provincial finals to avoid certain groups

I don't think that's going to happen.

A bit like the league cup in England it's not taken seriously by big teams until they actually reach the final.

Now that they are in the final Mayo and Galway will want to win the Connacht title.

They won't devise some grand plan to try and avoid Derry, Donegal/Armagh and Westmeath.

They'll believe themselves that they are well able to beat Derry, Donegal, Armagh and Westmeath when it comes to it

Peter Keane was criticized for his planning in the 2020 championship, he was fixated on a game v Dublin, a game Kerry ultimately never got to play.

Play who's in front of you and no one else.

Fr Tod Umptious

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Top goes straight to quarter finals.

2nd and 3rd go to playoff for other quarter final spots.

dxhound2005

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Preliminary Quarter-Finals
22-23.06.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four second-placed teams from Round 1 (Group Stage) shall be drawn to play at home
against the four third-placed teams, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of repeat
Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1.
Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee
and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.

Quarter-Finals
29-30.06.2024 (Sat/Sun)
The four first-place teams from Round 1 (Group Stage) shall be drawn to play against the
four Preliminary Quarter-Finals winners, subject in the first instance to the avoidance of
repeat Provincial Final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group
Stage).

TheRiverman

Crazy having draw before Provincial finals. The Connaught final should be interesting with major emphasis on losing for both Galway and Mayo. It's bonkers.

castletownman

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I really don't understand GAA's fascination with getting draws done ASAP. Sure the ink is hardly dry on the year when they have the draws done for next year's championship (and basically determining the path of the minnows drawn against Dublin in Leinster before they even get back training).

Used to be good craic during the peak of the qualifiers when you'd win on a Saturday or Sunday, find out who you are facing the Monday morning ahead of the next round the following weekend.

Suppose counties need extra lead time to source accommodation for all these extensive backroom teams.