Leo Varadkar resigns as Taoiseach

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121940689#Comment_121940689

I propose this for the most idiotic post of the day accolade

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121940742#Comment_121940742

The post I was replying to was far more idiotic, dogwhistling racism should not be tolerated.

My response in sarcasm obviously passed over your head.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121938136#Comment_121938136

This has been shown to be absolute BS before yet you keep spinning the misinformation. Why?

Cluedo Monopoly

Nurse to patient ratio ‘completely poor practice’ - INMO | Newstalk

The nurse to patient ratio in Irish hospitals is putting increasing pressure on staff, according to the Irish Nurse and Midwife Organisation (INMO). 

INMO is calling for the HSE to attend this week’s Emergency Department Taskforce meeting “with renewed and workable solutions” to reduce overcrowding and staffing issues.  

While there should be one nurse of every six to eight patients, the current ratio in Ireland is typically 14 to one.  

INMO General Secretary Phil Ní Sheaghdha said this puts incredible pressure on staff.  

“If you have 14 patients instead of eight, obviously everybody is going to get less time and there is going to be delays,” she said.  

“That is not the fault of the person who is rostered and trying to do their best, but they simply cannot do two people’s jobs.”  

INMO also said 5,210 patients have been without a bed in Irish hospitals since September, including 100 children.  

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Nobody can blame the nurses. No wonder they leave.

Cluedo Monopoly

Survey done in summer last year

Almost three-quarters of nurses and midwives considering emigration after qualifying (irishexaminer.com)

Almost three-quarters of intern nurses and midwives have said they are considering leaving Ireland after receiving their qualification, according to a new survey from the Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation (INMO). 

However, a third of them have said if staffing and working conditions were improved then they would delay their departure. More than half (54%) also stated that pay was a significant factor in whether they would consider remaining in Ireland or moving to the private healthcare sector. 

The survey, published on Thursday morning as the INMO conference got underway in Killarney, also noted that the lack of adequate breaks, unmanageable pressure, exhaustion, and a lack of safe staff-to-patient ratios across the health service were significant factors that led to interns to consider leaving Ireland. 

blanch152

There are self-fulfilling surveys, there are union statements, and there are cold hard facts published by the OECD.

Anyone can choose their own source of information.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941247#Comment_121941247

that seems to be nurse to patient ratios, not nurse to population ratios.

according to this link, we're the second highest in the EU, and fifth in europe overall. only finland, switzerland, norway and iceland are higher.

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/507433b0-en/1/3/2/5/8/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/507433b0-en&_csp_=69a1197833db420974a2940c01518500&itemIGO=oecd&itemContentType=book

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941283#Comment_121941283

The OECD numbers have been rubbished many times. They are not comparing like with like.

OECD nurse patient ratios do not give the full picture - Health Manager

The OECD figures for nurse patient ratios in Ireland did not portray the full picture of nursing work in Ireland, Prof. Jonathan Drennan, Professor of Nursing and Health Services Research, School of Nursing and Midwifery, University College, Cork, told the conference.

Speaking on “Safer nurse staffing: the right person in the right place at the right time, he said that if you just looked at OECD figures, Ireland, with 12.4 nurses per 1,000 population, had more nurses than most OECD states. However, this was not the full picture, as the Irish figures included nurses working in management and education and that made it difficult to get accurate figures of those working directly in clinical practice. In other countries, part of the registration process involved stating place of work – this did not happen in Ireland.

It had also to be remembered that the environment in which Irish nurses worked was very complex, because Ireland had one of the lowest number of beds per thousand population and one of the highest bed occupancy rates in the OECD. The number of beds in hospitals, patient acuity and dependency, support from other health professionals and patient turnover determined the kind of work which nurses carried out. A small number of beds, increasing patient acuity and dependency and high turnover meant nurses would be much busier.

According to the OECD (2015) Ireland had 2.6 beds per thousand of the population, compared to 13.17 in Japan, 6.13 in France, 4.82 in Luxemburg and 4.35 in Finland.

The bed occupancy rate in Ireland was also very high. According to the OECD, we had a 94% bed occupancy rate, while the rate in Europe ranged from 68% in Slovenia to 84% in the United Kingdom, and 46% in the Netherlands.

“So nurses in Ireland are working clinical settings with high rates of patient turnover, which leads to increased nursing work. 

Spanish Eyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121938255#Comment_121938255

Sorry (and I'm no Government cheerleader either), but a friend was admitted to James' via A+E recently. He had massive infection possible sepsis. Treated very promptly as possible sepsis is, was in for four days on IV treatment and was discharged on St Patrick's Day, which was a Sunday. So it does happen, maybe not all the time though!

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121940689#Comment_121940689

When did they state they wanted to ban tourism? Should have gone to Specsavers.

skimpydoo

We must not forget the people who were discharged in the middle of the night.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941332#Comment_121941332

This is what he said:

"we don't have to accept thousands of non identifiable and vettible males from countries around the world."

I assume he means to ban tourism. Unless it is racist dogwhistling.

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941507#Comment_121941507

No I think he was talking about people coming in to Ireland with no id as they had destroyed it whilst in transit.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941681#Comment_121941681

We don't vet tourists.

Let's be honest here, his post was nothing other than a racist rant.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941021#Comment_121941021

Ah thanks for highlighting how clever the post is..... dog whistling racism....xhrist you think you've heard every bullsh1t bingo phrase out there but theres always more

Ten of Swords

Mod - Back on topic please. Thread is discussing Leo stepping down as Taoiseach and FG leader, not immigration or hospital waiting times

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121929263#Comment_121929263

No, I am not talking about Paddy Cosgrove. He'd be a bit player in this market if he is involved at all.

There are companies that specialise in this sort of spyware, and quite a number of important politicians internationally have been compromised by them in recent years.

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121929369#Comment_121929369

Even if that is true (and you haven't provided any proof that it is) the years they spend working abroad are lost to the country in many ways - and settling down and building a family is typically put back by that number of years, which is one of several causes of the lower birth rate.

And please don't come back with the "Oh but think of all the experience they gained abroad" meme, because for the most part their experience abroad as junior whatevers is unlikely to be greatly different from the experience they would have gained here had they stayed at home; I recognise that exceptions exist, of course.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121942845#Comment_121942845

So the actual point you made about net migration was wrong?

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121942941#Comment_121942941

We've been advised to stop discussing immigration on this thread, but if you want to continue this discussion on another thread, you might clarify - where did I make that point?

skimpydoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941707#Comment_121941707

When did he mention vetting tourists?

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121942845#Comment_121942845

It is true. CSO stats confirm.

People have the right to move abroad if they like, but overall it is a positive that the same nunber of people leaving are also returning.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121942845#Comment_121942845

I spent three years working abroad in my youth. My grown children have spent time working abroad. My youngest who will finish college in a couple of years is also talking about working abroad.

It is a rite of passage, a way to expand your horizons, it is a good thing. I find that those who haven't travelled and worked abroad are more likely to be insular-looking, nationalist, conservative, Sinn Fein voters.

tarvis

Having left politics I hope Mr Varadkar returns to medicine. I’d like to see him manning the lines in the A&E in Limerick - to hear his thoughts on what needs doing and how draining on the person - staff and patients - such a place has become.

Maybe he would be believed by the powers that be .

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121949179#Comment_121949179

Now that's a large step, the jump from spending time abroad making you less likely to vote for SF.

Personally I'd say the opposite: having seen some of the world, people come back and know they don't have to put up with the shít doled out by FFGGr. They are angry at not being able to find a reasonably-priced place to live, angry at poor public transport, angry at poor public services, angry that the stay-at-homes running the country for their own benefit couldn't care less about them.

Believe me, I know. I have also spent time abroad and returned to my own country and see how dysfunctional it is in comparison to much if not all of Europe.

And while I might have thought of giving SF a second preference in the past, that's now unlikely after the referendums and SF having gone into hiding generally on social issues, given their rush to claim the middle ground. They are now preoccupied with not upsetting someone moderate who will choose not to vote for them as a result. This concern is now losing them many of their potential voters who actually want change.

nacho libre

Leo was clever enough to go before he was pushed. Phil Hogan must have been surprised and disappointed at his announcement.

paddyisreal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121949179#Comment_121949179

Jaysus lmao, . The majority of people over the age of 70 don't vote sinn Fein and most of them never spent their youth abroad. Sinn Fein attracts more younger voters than all the other parties and your logic is that is because they haven't gone abroad ! Seriously you need to work on that theory a bit.

https://www.thejournal.ie/young-voters-likely-to-vote-for-sinn-fein-european-elections-6294828-Feb2024/

Tony EH

SF are attracting younger voters because A. they're the only one's saying they'll try and tackle the issues facing them, primarily housing, and B. they know that FF and FG don't give a tinker's cuss.

This isn't difficult to understand.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121959354#Comment_121959354

Also,

C: they've not had a chance to cock up in government yet.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941507#Comment_121941507

as you know tourists leave, or are supposed to…

They have to enter the country with their legitimate passports subject to our laws and rules.

so a tourist is:

A - identifiable

B - Vettable