Increase in road deaths - questions need to be asked

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800745#Comment_121800745

What do you mean it's not people so what or who is it then. People are driving the car. I was nearlly hit by a person last week when they decided that the red light was not for them and they could take a turn with me moving the other way. I braked ( luckily no one behind me) let a beep on the horn and they just carried on as if I was at fault.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802752#Comment_121802752

Where is it?

look at this thread for example plenty of people some who’ve been driving for decades and only ever came across a few checkpoints.

There’s enforcement me arse.

magicbastarder

a chap i was in college with (mid to late 90s) had learned to drive and passed his test in luxembourg. AFAIR he had to go back six months or a year later for an advanced test - where they dealt with emergency braking, etc., and put you on a skid pan. it was more to give you a flavour of what those experiences were like than anything, but thinking about it now it was reactive rather than proactive (i.e. how to deal with a situation that's already occurring rather than how to avoid that situation).

not that i can say i'd know how to create a proactive lesson.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803135#Comment_121803135

In fairness the driving test does cover anticipation and awareness but also those skills are more something you gain with time and experience than anything you can study and learn.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803100#Comment_121803100

have you come across a speed camera? that is is enforcement

i've come across a few, it depends where you live

not much point putting a checkpoint up in bally go backward

4 in the last year, that's dublin, now id be travelling a reasonable amount outside commuter hours, been tested once I think randomly for drugs, as in they have the checkpoint, but only pick a few out of it as it takes a while, 2 were just checking tax etc and possibly 1 was looking for somebody

havent seen a revenue one in years, but probably not that many cute hoors in dublin

I would have been hit by more if I wasn't using a certain app to avoid them, seen maybe 1 person a week pulled over for speeding or tax etc, that would be m7-m8 m4 etc

it depends on the roads you are on, they wont be doing it on the m50, which is where a lot of the driving takes place.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803182#Comment_121803182

For two years I travelled 5 days a week (sometimes 6-7) on the N80 from Enniscorthy to Wexford via Oilgate.

I came across more crashes and accidents than I ever did speed cameras or Gardai checkpoints.

Enforcement and regular checks are vital. The amount of times I see brakes being slammed over a speed van. And besides what good are they exactly? You catch someone speeding okay, but what does it do to stop them from causing an accident a few km down the road? Maybe they’re drugged yo or drinking or a learner unaccompanied perhaps even disqualified.

Any of those would be found out at a checkpoint but not by a camera van. People acting the bollox going a bit over the limit are not killing people in the numbers unlicensed, drink or drug drivers are. Simple as that.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803135#Comment_121803135

its finland where the toughest driving test standard is and the roads are no safer there

Driving conditions there might have something to do with it

there is a balance between making it hard and making it too hard

See a bus driver with a packed bus on his phone there.. lovely!

and a car parked with a tax disc expired in December… 2021!! 🤣

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803200#Comment_121803200

how can you never see a speed van and also see people slamming on the brakes because of a speed cameras anyway

they arent doing drugs or drinks stops during commuting hours and they aren't putting up tax check either, for obvious reasons

they want to catch people but not be a pain in the hole

50k drink driving checkpoints are carried out yearly and maybe 100k of roads out there, its about targeting the resources correctly

around 8k people caught

you could pass through a checkpoint on the way into town and be well sure it wont be there as you drive drunk home

FazyLucker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802386#Comment_121802386

They might be safer on a main road than a back road, truth be told!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803296#Comment_121803296

I don’t work 9-5.

You’re full of excuses mate. Everything you’ve said is an outright bullshit excuse. Don’t want to inconvenience people? Heaven forbid.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803358#Comment_121803358

not one piece of bullshit, you are fierce aggressive, not a great trait for driving

this is exactly why they dont put checkpoints on the m50, etc etc, because it would cause massive traffic issues and probably some crashes

they put these in places they might catch people, where its safe, not some bog road in the middle of nowhere

they don't have unlimited resources so they target them

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803358#Comment_121803358

now how do you always seem people braking for speed cameras but not the speed cameras? Do you need glasses?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803414#Comment_121803414

So the N80 (a national road) is a bog road?

Or is it just anywhere outside of Dublin? I’m not aggressive either you’re just talking absolute rubbish.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803424#Comment_121803424

your posts are yes, get easily riled up it seems

well any road out of Enniscorthy is boggy

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802305#Comment_121802305

My solution to the problem of people getting from A to B in a rural part is, if they want a local sober individual, then they get their da or their brother or de mammeh or whoever. We already have Hackney licences designed specifically to meet the needs of customers like these. Uber is a race to the bottom, driving down income for drivers, exposing customers to outrageous surge pricing, to keep some tech bros in yachts. People might want to make conscious decisions to live in areas where transport is accessible, rather than expecting to world to be coming up their bohreen to make sure everything works for them.

People will speed as long as they have little chance of being caught for speeding, and the consequences of being caught are relatively minor, and their vehicle allows them to break speed limits. Let's starting working on one or two or three of these, and we'll reduce speeding and reduce road deaths and injuries.

Human behaviour will continue as long as we continue to pamper drivers into believing that the rest of the world should pay for their air pumps, their storage space and more

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802342#Comment_121802342

I ran out of cider once at night. I went around all the off licences in the town looking for free cider but the bastards all insisted on getting money from me.

Please explain how I should have fixed this problem, and don't suggest anything outrageous like that I should carry some money with me or anything.

freshpopcorn

I think personal responsibility needs to be looked at.

A few years back I remember a case in the the news. A drunk driver crashed killing two of their passengers.

Both passengers spent the day drinking in the pub were thrown from the vehicle. Now maybe the car had no seat belts but it should have had.

The driver survived and was jailed. However there was no questioning of the passengers choice to get in the car that day other than they were angels.

I think passengers who knownly get into a car with a drunk/drug driver should face some type of fine/ban.

It would make you think twice before hopping into a car.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802386#Comment_121802386

I really don't think driving is for you if you're feeling contempt for substantial numbers of other road users.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802602#Comment_121802602

Significant numbers still don't wear seat belts based on some of the recent deaths.

BrianD3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802342#Comment_121802342

At least you'll know to have a coin on you for the next time.

When you are operating a car you need to be thinking about what you'll do if you get a flat tyre and how not to run out of fuel at a bad time. If you are expecting that there will be air compressors available in every garage and that take your preferred method of payment at 11 pm, then yes, AndrewJRenko is right you are showing entitlement.

Anyway, I wouldn't rely on garages even if I had several methods of payment on me. Carry a foot or electric pump for flats or slow punctures. If it's a fast puncture, carry a torch and anything else you need to change the wheel. A few times per year, check that the spare is inflated. If you get a puncture and else fails, ring breakdown assist - but don't be moaning if it take a few hours to get going again because you can't change a wheel or your spare is flat.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802708#Comment_121802708

There's plenty of current drivers would fail that breeze of a test

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803536#Comment_121803536

I’d agree with this too.

I’d go so far as to say that responsibility should be equally shared among all occupants of a car being driven by a drunk driver.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803499#Comment_121803499

the problem with the Hackney licence is cost of vehicles and the test itself, you have to go through a what in this day and age is a pointless knowledge test and its not easy

and then you are restricted to about 7k of where you get the licence

there are good reasons that no one is doing it

on top of that, its not financially viable, uber or hackney

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803567#Comment_121803567

do you think I mean the full driving test?

Or the braking test? Very few would fail that, its something youd be doing every day just driving and stopping a bike car etc

example, i'm doing say 50 and traffic lights in front go read, I stop, its that taxing

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803574#Comment_121803574

"If you are resident in the area in respect of which the local area hackney licence is sought you are not required to undertake the Industry Knowledge or Area Knowledge tests normally applying for SPSV driver licences."

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803595#Comment_121803595

Full driving test. All drivers should be required to do a full test every five years or so

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803606#Comment_121803606

fair enough, missed that when I was looking before at getting a licence previously

the other issues are the bigger problem

its too expensive to get into and the demand is sporadic unreliable etc, if anyone has ever taken a hackney back in the day

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121803612#Comment_121803612

I was talking about the braking test because thats what the discussion was about

People arent driving badly because they don't know how, speeding tailgating, its on purpose

they drive to pass the test

Kurooi

More no bullshit policing would do the trick, set up speed cameras, move them around a bit. And leave alone the casual Joe doing 10 over the limit, target just the real offenders.

Alcohol and phones should also be cracked down on, same cameras if high quality could no problem catch the phone and fine those, direct off the payslip and welfare.

You want to play at penalizing all young males in general? Is that actually OK? Can we start penalizing by race, religion, sexuality if we find a link there?

Can we do this also on other issues? By force educate "Extra" specific groups about consent? Anticonception? STDs? Crime? Do you REALLY want to go there? No. You're emboldened because that's the one golden type of discrimination you're allowed to make, any other characteristic any other gender would get you banned for throwing that into your OP.