March Referendums

gk5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876652#Comment_121876652

Letter came to the house/eircode - think 1000's were sent out part random and part over socio economic - citt/county.

Then filled in form to say interested - and filled in information related to socio economic back ground- They take this and select 99 based on the civil servants idea of the right mix, but I misses out and was put on the standby list.}

So it started and I missed the opening and field trips, but then got on as a substitute - quite a few dropped out - but I got the first substantive meeting. I think my socio background profile was not what they expected...because they selected an unemployed (at that time) country bumbkin, but got a reasonably educated, and travelled - returned country bumbkin with a strong belief in democracy and distrust of government and the status quo in ireland.

I believe the entire point of our Citizens assembly (Nature /Bio Diversity) was to vote for a Referendum on nature. It was a bit like Nice 1 & 2 but the citiizens delivered, photo op's for all, George Lee, Leo (or was it Mehole) dialled in said we were good children.

I'm not particularily against the nature referendum, but I believe it was foisted and manipulated on the citizens - as a cover for it being introduced by Government at some later stage, same as this one was.

I will try and open a thread on it in a few months, dig up my notes. There are some serious issues in this country, and this is indicitive, but minor..so after these bigger fish are either fried, or gobble me whole and fart me out.......later

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874755#Comment_121874755

The citizens assembly is a government tool. They seed ideas, the assembly make recommendations based on those ideas, the government twist what the assembler recommends back to suit itself and then can say, “sher you asked for this, it’s your idea”

thinking we need the assembly shows a dysfunctional link between population and politics, if we had good candidates on the ground to vote for they would be well in touch with their voters to know what they want. Then this quango would be unnecessary.

Siamsa Sessions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878124#Comment_121878124

As @gk5000 describes, the agenda and scope of discussions are very much set and controlled for the participants too. A big row might be allowed over the colour of a mouse but the elephant in the room is not on today's agenda, or it's outside the scope of today's discussion.

Lime Tree Farm

Ivana said, in her interview with Miriam, the wording proposed by the CA had been altered, had they gone with the CA proposed wording, it would have passed. Ironic that Ivana championed the ' changed wording' for a Yes vote.

Fotish

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874081#Comment_121874081

The NGO’s representing people with disabilities were all in favour of a Yes vote on the Care part of the Referendum.

How we’re they so out of touch with the people they represent.

Could it be something to do with the fat sale rise they get, out of government coffers ?

Siamsa Sessions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879200#Comment_121879200

Roderick O'Gorman threatening their funding might have helped them arrive at their decision to campaign for yes too 😂

Upstream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121875369#Comment_121875369

Thank you for that, I suspected as much based on looking at the Climate Change and Biodiversity assemblies. It's disappointing, but I've come to expect that from the government now.

Coolcormack1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874567#Comment_121874567

This is very true.was listening to a podcast last week.a woman on it who was pro immigration and for helping was saying she was meeting people who were afraid of their lives to express an opinion on the government’s current open door culture.

paddy doesn’t do protest on the streets but by god does it at the ballot box.i voted no to both and if the government and the woke gobshites want to call me fat right,I’ll gladly wear the label.Friday was the opening shots of bringing back some sanity to Ireland.roll on the local elections when there will be more blood on the floor of the government parties getting destroyed

roosterman71

All this talk of horsing out the government, who is going to replace them? All bar a handful were for this referendum

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121881250#Comment_121881250

Have to agree.

even SF have now become a centralist party, because it’s the only really practical position to take to govern a modern country.

however, I think SF/FF/FG would do better without the greens. Like a soccer team turning around with a new manager, suddenly the same players are reinvigorated.

LarryGraham

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121880860#Comment_121880860

Whatever about being right wing but to call you fat is just out of order🤣

patsy_mccabe

The fat right - ireland's latest political group.

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121881250#Comment_121881250

Eddie Punch should be a farmers tick for the European gig.

Good loser

These referendums will fade from the memory very very quickly. Non events really. Without significance.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121886559#Comment_121886559

I'm sure the government n NGO's certainly hope so. Then they can get back to what they do best- squandering the shaky corporation tax on their pet projects while simultaneously making every metric worse for the average voter.

Fill your tanks this week plebs as duty going up next week on diesel!

https://businessplus.ie/industry-type/government-infrastructure/govt-starts-year-with-22-surge-in-public-spending/

Sheep breeder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121886559#Comment_121886559

Don’t think so and certainly not a non event, the working class and rural Ireland were fed up of the lads above in Dublin think the the lad that’s gets up early in the morning and works all day could be walked on every day and they could keep giving the gravy out to NGO and other woke groups and think every thing was a bed of roses, Mary Lou also got a kick in the arse thinking people were listening to every word as gospel and that she was going to be crowned queen bee, cabbage head Ryan and the greens thought they are gods and would ride rough shot with their crazy ideas and Leo would let them at it.wouldn’t like to be a council candidate or back bench TD having to go out canvassing for votes for Leo, cabbage head, Mihole, and Mary united ireland. Calling peoples who voted No as right wing wouldn’t do any favours either.

Jb1989

Dunno,

I voted no because someone I count as clever advised me to, as it wouldn't have a good outcome if passed.

I don't count it as being one over the government nor did I intend it to be.

tabby aspreme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121886559#Comment_121886559

I'm sure a lot of politicians are hoping your right, but I think these refenda were a tipping point for a lot of people, then politicians admitting to voting No, while publicly supporting a Yes vote has driven home the belief that politicians can neither be believed or trusted.

Good loser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121888901#Comment_121888901

That's well over the top. All my life I've been told politicians can neither be believed or trusted. Wouldn't imagine the refs changed those numbers. It's easy, after the event, to ascribe wild motives, accusations, bad faith actions etc.

I would have voted no/no but didn't consider it worth the effort. The whole thing just didn't matter. They could have built 50 houses with the money.

greysides

Well, the poll is over and the results published. Democracy has been done.

Thanks to everyone who posted comments, concerns, opinions or links.

Anyone who wishes to continue with 'Pure Politics', rather than 'Applied Politics', should head over the Politics forum.

So, until the re-run next time, THREAD CLOSED.