March Referendums

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This discussion was created from comments split from: No quitten we're whelan on to chitchat 11.

_Brian

Maybe this warrants a new thread if it’s own, maybe not.

love to hear opinions on forthcoming referendums.

I plan to vote yes for the woman’s place in the home.

But a firm NO on the second. Far as I can see were being asked to include “durable relationship” in the constitution for no good reason and with no explanation of what that might cover. I think there’s implications for family farms, if a years long relationship breaks up before marriage would we see claims for half a farm ??

kollegeknight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121784472#Comment_121784472

I’m a firm no on both. You should listen to Michael McDowell.- I wasn’t his biggest fan when he was tainiste but you could never say he didn’t understand law.

No means no change- let them come back with proper specific wording if they want to change any of the constitution.

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121785079#Comment_121785079

The vagueness is a worry, I’m not anti governments or a conspiracy nut.

But saying vote a change in and trust us doesn’t wash well.

Gudstock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121785079#Comment_121785079

Firmly in agreement with you, NO on both. Seems like government parties pandering to the apparent mainstream thinking pre next election.

Wildsurfer

Whatever about the family one, some obviously wont agree with that, but what is the worry about voting no in the Care amendment?

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121785079#Comment_121785079

I found that video, he speaks very well on the subject, definitely a no vote.

kollegeknight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121785301#Comment_121785301

What’s the rush to remove mother from the constitution- why not add parent- instead they wrote family member- my first cousin is a family member. So when applying for citizenship- I could argue I technically don’t need to be a child’s legal guardian.

they also want to change marriage to durable relations-

for me- repealing the 8th without specific wording also opened up the potential for corruption- they are already talking about changing criteria- and some who voted to repeal it may not be happy with the new criteria .

if the referendum was about care in the home… let them reference it specifically and not have open ended comments.

The problem is you’ll be called a far right for it wanting the constitution changed without very specific text.

i am not anti emigration- I am married to an Australian 10 years - I would probably be single still without a foreigner

I have to apply for a visa when visiting. I have no problem with any of the checks or paperwork.

no does not mean no forever- it means reword it correctly and come back to us.

patsy_mccabe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121785511#Comment_121785511

"i am not anti emigration- I am married to an Australian 10 years"

Sorry Kollegeknight, but I had to laugh at that.

kollegeknight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121785594#Comment_121785594

I knew it would get a reaction when writing it😂

Siamsa Sessions

I haven’t been paying attention to the few mentions in the media but what are the 2 referendums about?

Or what parties and are for and against what? I find you can get a sense of what’s what in such discussions if you see what groups are for YES and who’s for NO

Lime Tree Farm

Michael McDowell

https://issuu.com/senatormichaelmcdowell/docs/michael_mcdowell_referendum_leaflet_feb_2024

Tileman

I do t like how it is being rushed. Only a month before voting day and absolutely no information supplied or time for debate . What’s all the rush.

I have t actually read the proposal in full or in detail yet and I would be interested in politics and current affairs.

_Brian

Our referendum booklet arrived yesterday. It just confirms that the constitution doesn’t say “a woman’s place is in the home”.

just reassures me to vote No & No

893bet

No and No.

dzer2

Not here for them but would be No&No

QA1

No and no here too we’re are too quite a nation

I says

No to both. Reasons I’m voting no to both are O Gorman threatening the ngos he’d pull funding for them if they don’t campaign for a yes vote. McDowell was refused the minutes of an inter department meeting regarding the legal ramifications of a yes vote under the freedom of information act. It’s a Trojan horse as far as I can make out.

Lime Tree Farm

He's going to do to the Referendum what 'Mr. Bean' did for EV vehicles.

https://www.michaelmcdowell.ie/mcdowell-condemns-o%E2%80%99gorman%E2%80%99s-department%E2%80%99s-foi-cover-up.html

youllbemine

Two no votes from me also. The posts above have stated why. Please everyone watch this video before voting. as said before, I wouldn’t have been a fan of McDowell but now that he is independent he doesn’t need to tow the party line like the rest of the sheep. He has brought up some very valid concerns. ‘Durable relationship’ could be open to abuse in inheritance, immigration etc. will have legal ramifications for years to come.

Also the constitution does not state that ‘a woman’s place is in the home’, as confirmed by Supreme Court Judge Marie Baker. Catherine Martin has stood up twice now and blatantly lied about this.

https://youtu.be/wjXAv-RjF0s?si=C3et6fo5chVDpLWP

https://youtu.be/4R7_awvtrCk?si=0JCjxmE8x_Ly0bA3

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121786185#Comment_121786185

The Check the Register system is collapsing under the weight of the public posting amendments to the Electoral Register. Unlikely that the amendments will be keyed in time for the vote . Nobody has thought any of this through.

No and No from me too . Both completely unnecessary .

Lime Tree Farm

This Irish Times podcast between Justine McCarthy and Michael McDowell is a very civilised debate.

https://www.irishtimes.com/podcasts/inside-politics/head-to-head-the-yes-and-no-arguments-ahead-of-the-family-and-care-referendums/

It even mentions 'trouples' and implications for the environment at the very end.

newholland mad

Anything that Leo and that rat O Gormon are advocating I would treat with caution. I wouldn't trust either of them half as far as I'd throw them. No and No here and everyone in our house.

dmakc

No and no, because I don't trust this government at all

Bobtheman

Durable relationships is a bullshit idea. Because of the marriage referendum now two heterosexuals can marry. Men. Women

It will be used to milk the nation dry. I can see the welfare bill increasing

Neither referendum was needed. We have suicidal kids who can't see a psychiatrist but we can afford this ****?

smallbeef

No and No.

I hope the No's come out and vote on this one.

Such a waste of tax payers money.

newholland mad

https://www.independent.ie/farming/rural-life/senator-michael-mcdowell-why-im-voting-no-this-chaotic-idea-is-ripe-for-exploitation-and-could-break-up-farms/a923845144.html

it's behind pay wall which I don't subscribe to but it's easy to get the gist of the article.

Coolcormack1979

Wasn’t going to go vote when I heard of this referendum last yr but it’s a no for me and will go vote NO.the idea of this government being trusted and they calling us all far right for questioning them on open doors to allow Mohammad and his 10 wives and 100 kids free reign to come here is enough for me to motivate me to go out and vote.

just as a postscript to the above just watch on Twitter the 3 amigos walk out to a ligimit question from Ben scallion of gript on the misinformation from the minister for rte .they don’t even hide their contempt for the country anymore.

Kalimah

It's a no to both from all of us in my house. I was never a fan of Michael McDowell but I'm with him on his one.

Furze99

Two Nos here - who'd buy a pig in a poke.

tractorporn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121791743#Comment_121791743

Same here when the likes of those two are pushing a yes vote as hard as they are you would have to question their motives. I hope that people actually come out and vote cos a low turnout could see a yes vote majority. I have my mind made up for two no votes this past few weeks.

Gudstock

I hope the trend here is reflected in greater society! And they turn out on the day!!

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121791793#Comment_121791793

Same as - indeed part of me thinks the whole thing was concocted to deflect attention from this governments failures in housing, cost of living, immigration etc.

amacca

No and No too. I have zero faith in these chancers to not make a complete balls of anything....and roughly the same amount of mistrust in any other tools elected

I see some party mentioned they'd run it again if it got no votes....makes a mockery of voting if so and its run without clear wording....

I agree too in that I think it's just a sideshow

bb12

Catherine Martin blatantly lying on 2 occasions now is absolutely astonishing. no and no.

carrollsno1

No and no, this government cant be trusted its been an absolute shitsjow since they got into power.

Thats the link to Ben Scallan asking a legitimate question and the three stooks walk off stage. Not sure if its working but its on the Gript Medis FB page. I dont subscribe to any online newspapers but was considering signing up to gript the last few weeks and that clip has made uo my mind to support them now.

Siamsa Sessions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121794617#Comment_121794617

Where did these referendums come from? Were they in the programme for government or just random ideas that have been around for years and finally getting their day out?

Anto_Meath

There is so little factual information about regarding these referendums until now when we will get an over load that I am thinking of voting no to both for no other reason except you are better off with the devil you know than the devil you don't..

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793510#Comment_121793510

A hugh turn out means this will be a convincing yes. A low turn-out will be better for the no side.

tabby aspreme

The refusal by government to share notes of meetings with Senator's, regarding discussions they had with the dept of finance, about changes to taxation, pension and inheritance if this referendum is passed, means I'm voting NO, the reason given not to share the notes was, " it would not be in the public interest" so it's obvious there hiding something.

Bobtheman

Durable relationships? WTF is that?

Bullshit

Cran

Yes and yes, don’t see anything wrong with durable relationship’s as language constitution tends to be vague then legislation covers the definition. Marriage as only definition of family is outdated and needs to be changed.

changing the definition of woman in the home is needed. Now I have huge issue with how as a society we provide care, but that’s a separate discussion to this referendum.

youllbemine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121795267#Comment_121795267

I believe it was in the Green’s election manifesto.

smallbeef

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121798580#Comment_121798580

Yeah it was.

More proof that vegans can't think straight.

KevMayo88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121798257#Comment_121798257

What is to stop a mistress from making a claim on her lovers' estate upon his death, by suggesting under the amendment that she and him were in a "durable relationship", and that because of such she is entitled to recompense and support from his estate?

youllbemine

I don’t know who to vote for in the next election. Or in the local elections for that matter. Might have to go independent across the board. Can’t relate to or agree with with main parties on many policies of late. This referendum has really shown me how much they are prepared to lie.

I don’t mind if they come back with a reasonable re-wording but being told that we will have to vote on this again if the wrong result is returned is pure and utter bull. Are we living in a dictatorship? They will try any tactic to get it over the line. Lie, mislead and now even threaten. Outrageous behaviour from our elected representatives.

roosterman71

Which party said we'd revote? It's Green Party thing and was part of their acceptance to be in government. The other 2 parties agreed to let them have their referendum as part of the coalition talks.

lmk123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121798580#Comment_121798580

I was actually going to vote yes to both until I read this, I’d rather s**t in my hands and clap than agree with the Greens

Cran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121798650#Comment_121798650

Speculation nothing based in fact, wife & kids would have stronger claim based on legislation. There’s an awful lot of this or that on stuff at the moment with no basis in reality or fact.

youllbemine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121798701#Comment_121798701

Sinn Fein. Who have proved that they actually aren’t that different to what we currently have in power. They are no longer the opposition party they are trying to be (or we’re trying to be). They seem to be happy to tow the government line on most topics.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/mary-lou-mcdonald-says-sinn-fein-will-re-run-referendums-on-family-and-care-if-they-do-not-pass/a205864146.html

leoch

Don't know wats it's about or give 2 fcuks about it but will vote no and no if the greens are all for it