Trans Women's Milk Just as good as mothers breast milk - threadbans in OP

Glurrl

Great stuff having the men breast feed. What else can we think of?

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792233#Comment_121792233

We as men do not naturally have breast feeding breasts!

OK, so some crazy person in Sussex University thinks it a good thing to pump men full of hormones to see if they can grow lab breasts & lactate, but is that really such a good thing?

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792184#Comment_121792184

Well to be fair, the technology definitely existed decades ago, but we’d probably still have got Jack’s earlier example of a classic conundrum, seeing as he also thought to patent his alternative technological innovation:

https://youtu.be/Ym-uB1w535I?si=AvGrVEuZxgr9MlrS

Necessity something something the mother of invention 😏

SouthWesterly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121789751#Comment_121789751

But they do think it and the world has gone mad

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792385#Comment_121792385

Did I mention breastfeeding anywhere in my reply to you. I was referring to your point men don't have breasts it's basic biology sentence.

Scientist do a whole lot of stuff for science to see what happens. This is nothing different as long as the people in the experiment know what they are testing for.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792019#Comment_121792019

Nope, sorry now but that's not factually correct.

Excluding very rare exceptions/mutations, you are either born male or female. That's it. There's no "assignment" involved. It's biological fact.

TransWomen may feel that they've always been Women and that's fair enough (so long as they understand that no-one else is required to share that belief), but it doesn't change their biology or historical fact.

Again feelings vs reality.

eeepaulo

Has anyone a link to the actual letter?

Apparently there are citations to the evidence of the claims, i found one study she refers to which was a transman who was breastfeeding and started to take testosterone. I would like to see the other evidence.

Birneybau

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792394#Comment_121792394

Hey, could be the father of invention

Large bottle small glass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121791948#Comment_121791948

Pro science and pro gender ideology is quite the intellectual tightrope.

You might start with the Cass interim report into the Tavistock if you think gender ideology meeting with "modern" medicine is so wonderful

• We need to know more about the population being referred and outcomes. There has not been routine and consistent data collection, which means it is not possible to accurately track the outcomes and pathways that children and young people take through the service.  
•  There is lack of consensus and open discussion about the nature of gender dysphoria and therefore about the appropriate clinical response. 
•  Because the specialist service has evolved rapidly and organically in response to demand, the clinical approach and overall service design has not been subjected to some of the normal quality controls that are typically applied when new or innovative treatments are introduced.  

What is possible through medicine is not always and often has not been wonderful.

El Gato De Negocios

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792706#Comment_121792706

It's millions of years of evolution and not science, milk feeding by females has occurred since time immemorial.....

Spanish Eyes

Who "assigns" the sex of a baby at birth? It is feckin obvious, so the sex is observed and identified (that word again), not assigned.

Does that mean that some mad max obstetrician or midwife can say "I am assigning this child female", when in fact due to the bits attached it is male, as everyone else in the room can see.

Words are important.

KevMayo88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792019#Comment_121792019

"Assigned male at birth"- what a load of utter bulls%&*

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792706#Comment_121792706

Science made it possible to perform frontal lobotomies on people with schizophrenia and depression. That doesn't make it ok to have done it on so little evidence that it was actually effective. A sister of JF Kennedy was left completely incapacitated by the surgery, and she was far from alone in that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy#:~:text=In%20her%20early%20young%20adult,her%20unable%20to%20speak%20intelligibly.

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it should be done.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792715#Comment_121792715

Never said anything about gender anything. Just believe that what modern medicine can do is amazing.

myfreespirit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792706#Comment_121792706

Denying scientific fact is idiocy.

Claiming that a female can be converted into a male (or a male into a female) is denying science.

This is in no way to denigrate or disparage any person who is transgender, I fully respect their feelings and rights.

The subject is extraordinarily complex and has become political unfortunately.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792527#Comment_121792527

Babies can't consent to being in this experiment though can they? If transgender ideology is involved, feelings override anything else, even medical ethics. It's very strange.

nullzero

Humanity could be attempting to colonise space or get rid of the thousands of nuclear weapons in the world and work towards lasting Worldwide peace.

Instead we're figuring out how to make men lactate.

And people (to usual suspects) are defending that idea.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792798#Comment_121792798

Never said it should or shouldn't, I just think science and modern medicine is amazing.

there are plenty of people who don't think IVF should be allowed. People who don't believe in testing foetus for genetic problems.

That's the danger of judging science and medicine by our own morals, everyone is different I guess.

anyway, if they're gonna start men breastfeeding, they should make them give birth too 😁

Hamsterchops

This whole gender "assigned at birth" rubbish is part of their belief based ideology. They cannot fight against science based arguments because their "religious" based ideology has no depth, no essence and no credibility, in other words it's all based on feelings, I feel like a woman therefore I am woman, and that's it ....

In reality there are two sexes, Man & Woman, male & female/ with one in a million with a birth defect, yet still either male or female. Sharon Davies is well worth a listen on this subject, as is Maya Forstater.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793017#Comment_121793017

People are born male or female, with a tiny number of exceptions, that is a biological fact.

People can be men or women, that is an identity that they can assign to themselves.

The law allows for persons over the age of 16 to consent to medical treatment, those who wish to assign themselves as men or women, can have medical treatment to that effect after the age of 16.

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792863#Comment_121792863

Well it is the parent/legal guardian that those then

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792894#Comment_121792894

There’s absolutely nothing prohibiting humanity from doing both of those things at the same time? I just wouldn’t expect much overlap between them.

The point you’re making though arises much more frequently in terms of funding research for various diseases; the comparison between funding for research into diseases like sickle cell anemia and cystic fibrosis being the most obvious one that comes to mind, particularly in the US where the disparity in funding is claimed to be as a result of institutional racism:

Sickle cell disease is chronically under-funded and receives little awareness, largely due to systemic racial disparities, according to Little. Patients with other hereditary chronic illnesses, such as cystic fibrosis (CF) and hemophilia, are typically Caucasians and have access to pharmaceutical funding, sustained resources, and support registries, which have not been accessible to patients with sickle cell disease.

https://news.unchealthcare.org/2023/09/sickle-cell-disease-continues-to-face-underfunding-lack-of-research/

The findings show that disparities in funding between SCD and CF may be associated with decreased research productivity and novel drug development for SCD. Increased federal and foundation funding is needed for SCD and other diseases that disproportionately affect economically disadvantaged groups to address health care disparities.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2763606

I don’t expect anyone should be too excited because Elon Musk thought it was a novel idea to make the nose of a rocket cone-shaped… it’s not like NASA haven’t been doing that for decades 🙄

DarkJager21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793151#Comment_121793151

It still doesn't stop the "assignment" just being a poor imitation of the genuine sex. The whole thing is quite denigrating to both male and females tbh, how could you possibly claim to be a female or male when you have no lived experience of that sex? It's all surface level smoke and mirrors - the core life building blocks of being a man or woman are completely missing.

It gets distilled down to a weak ass imitation of same, bound your chest and wear male clothes now you're a man? Nope. Pump yourself full of hormone blockers, get a few bits removed and put a dress on and now you're female? Nope.

It's a fantasy/delusion, mixed with a level of social contagion, that has somehow been elevated in to this idea that everyone should just forget all biological fact and play along with cos "feelings". The real world (and biology) doesn't work like that and never will.

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793151#Comment_121793151

You say "people can be men or women", like it's a breeze in the wind, I think I'll become a woman & that's it. Some people really struggle so it's not always easy to manage gender Disphoria.

Reality says you may indeed identify as the opposite sex, and call yourself a Trans-man or a Trans- woman, but those are just feelings based identities that do NOT change you from an actual man into a woman, or vice versa. Obviously. Incidentally about 90% of trans people have not had any surgery, and if they do it still doesn't magically transmogrify their body from one sex to the other. Humans are born male or female, and that will be your sex for life irrespective of your feelings or any surgery you may have. Science & human biology rule 👍

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793222#Comment_121793222

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793240#Comment_121793240

I think you are missing the point.

You are born male or female (biological sex), you choose to be man or women (gender). Different words, different aspects.

Some aspects of the world (medical treatment, sport, natural conception etc.) relate to biological sex, most others relate to gender.

On the one hand, you cannot deny scientific reality, on the other hand you cannot deny the right to gender identity.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121792422#Comment_121792422

Have you never heard or met anyone with hermaphroditism? It’s not as binary as you make out.

DarkJager21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793278#Comment_121793278

No and I guarantee you haven't either. Don't even pretend for a second that hermaphroditism is any sort of a norm or regular occurrence (it's around 0.05% of all births) so insignificant as to not even enter the point of this discussion.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793310#Comment_121793310

You guarantee I haven’t? Well, you’re categorically wrong and that’s a queer hill of you to die on.

Minimizing them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. When your argument requires sweeping them under a rug it’s a flawed argument. It’s not simply either male or female and yes, you can be “assigned male at birth” so drop the pearls.

corks finest

It’s wrong

simply wrong

against nature

B.A._Baracus

Simple, op. The world is mad.

Now a better question is .... is it being this mad a recent thing? Or was it always there just hidden more?