Is Dublin really safe? *Read OP for mod warning*

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123751878#Comment_123751878

There we have it folks, crime stats be damned, it's all based on 'feelings' now. 🙄

'Feeling' safe and 'being' safe are entirely different things.

A white middle aged business woman probably doesnt 'feel' safe walking through certain ethnic communities in the middle of the day but is probably entirely safe if you look at statistics.

Some people don't 'feel' safe when they board a plane but are statistically far safer than they were driving to the airport.

'Feeling' unsafe does not make Dublin objectively 'unsafe'. It just means you happen to have internalised feelings that are making you feel unsafe for whatever reason. Which a lot of times, are based on your own biases.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758790#Comment_123758790

If you get stabbed in the neck leaving your job in the IFSC do stats take precedence over your lived experience?

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758800#Comment_123758800

How many people a week get stabbed in the neck leaving their job in the IFSC?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758789#Comment_123758789

Well I don't really get the thread apart from people using it to hate on Dublin. Like Blackrock is nicer than Tallaght. Maida Vale is nicer than Walworth. Cities have nice and not so nice areas. That doesn't prove Dublin is dangerous at all.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758808#Comment_123758808

Would that matter to you if you were stabbed in neck leaving work?

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758817#Comment_123758817

Its a discussion thread like every thread on boards.ie. You've been on boards.ie long enough to understand how the site works?

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123752829#Comment_123752829

I see the exact same contradictory views on this thread by yourself and other left leaning contributers.

Very happy to big up perceived racist attacks in Dublin like theres a serious issue but down play all other attacks as people being deliberately negative towards the CC.

Opposite sides of the same coin never rang truer.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758864#Comment_123758864

When did I ever mention racist attacks?

And how come it's always people obsessed with immigration that are loudest in the Dublin is a dangerous kip brigade?

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758878#Comment_123758878

Ive no idea, i dont pay enough attention tbh.

I dont think Dublins a dangerous kip. I see all the good in it but i know it can look a bit kippy and can definitely be dangerous.

The recent attack on the indian national in Tallaght had all the looney left screaming about how dangerous Dublin is for foreigners.

I think i remember you being part of that crowd but maybe im mistaking you for another poster.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758800#Comment_123758800

If you are in a plane crash does that then mean that all flight is now 'unsafe'?

If you choke on a fish bone and almost die, does that now mean that all fish are 'unsafe' to eat?

Which person's experience is the one that makes an activity globally 'unsafe' for everyone, yours?

Ever read up on the philosophy of solipsism?

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758970#Comment_123758970

I feel like youre arguing with yourself here.

If somebody you knew was attacked in Dublin CC you would not say to them while visiting them in hospital - but ya know statistically Dublin CC is safe...

If we lived life purely by statistics we would be computers.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123758818#Comment_123758818

Your loaded question makes it sounds like it's a regular occurrence. How often does it happen?

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759000#Comment_123759000

I think you're just not getting my point.

It's got nothing to do with 'living by statistics'. Safety is to do with the probability of something bad happening to you in a given location / partaking in a particular activity. That is 100% maths and statistics.

I'll give you a more extreme example to illustrate what I mean.

If someone from Gaza told you that Gaza was actually 'safe', would you believe them based on their anecdotal 'feelings' of safety? Or would you believe the statistics re the amount of bombs landing on the place?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759000#Comment_123759000

By your logic anywhere there is an attack in the world is unsafe

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759020#Comment_123759020

Thats not my intention. Im simply saying peoples opinions can be driven by real world experience and throwing "stats" out as counter argument imo is wrong.

Especially given how easily skewed stats are. We're told by immigrant communities, by deprived communities etc that most crime isnt even reported.

Im not saying to discount stats but dont discount real world experience either.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759035#Comment_123759035

By your robotic thinking stats are infallible.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759041#Comment_123759041

No idea how you came to that conclusion reading my posts.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759047#Comment_123759047

There's multiple car crashes every single day of the week, should people fear getting in their cars?

A few anecdotes does not make a city unsafe. It may leave some people perceiving it to be, but that is a completely different topic altogether and doesn't make it true.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759059#Comment_123759059

You said if someone is in hospital after being attacked you wouldn't tell them the place is safe. People get attacked everywhere all over the world, so you wouldn't tell anyone in hospital anywhere that place is safe by your logic.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759061#Comment_123759061

Fear is subjective. Driving is pretty dangerous, compared to say sitting out your back garden.

Everything is relative. Dublin is safe compared to gaza etc.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759073#Comment_123759073

It is, flying is the safest means of transport but I'd wager more people fear flying than being in a car.

Does that mean flying is more dangerous?

No, it doesn't, hence why perception is basically irrelevant. Thanks for helping me disprove your own argument.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759047#Comment_123759047

The "real world experience" of getting stabbed in the neck is somewhat different from the "real world experience" of deciding somewhere is incredibly unsafe cause you just don't like the vibes.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759085#Comment_123759085

Ive no idea what you think youve proven here.

Fear is absolutely subjective and stats dont tell the full story and everything is relative.

Statistically youre more likely to be attacked by a stranger in Dublin CC then you're in your back garden.

Therefore Dublin CC is dangerous relativeto ypur back garden. So people are right to be fearful leaving their back gardens.

See how anything can be twisted to suit a narrative?

Relatively speaking Dublin CC is safe. Does that mean youre a biased unhinged human to have your wits about in the CC? No it doesnt.

Thats basically what my argument boils down to.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759066#Comment_123759066

No i didnt? I said you woudnt offer the statistic to someone who was attacked because it would be an unhinged thing to do.

Bogey Lowenstein

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ece_w6dkPX8

Man stabbed six times in Fairview Park on Saturday is in critical condition. A teenage runaway originally from the West of Ireland attacked him and stole his bicycle.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759116#Comment_123759116

Remind me to cancel my tickets to next year's Fairview Park gigs, it must be hell on Earth.

Still waiting for you to tell us what European cities you believe to be safe?

Ash.J.Williams

Many of dublins gigs in the 80s into early 90s would have been around grafton st area, and It was DANGEROUS! you could be beaten up and robbed , that doesn't happen the same way nowadays

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759110#Comment_123759110

More people are afraid of flying than driving, does that mean that flying is not safe or even not as safe as driving?

All statistics will prove that flying is far safer than driving yet people fear it more. Perception and fear is meaningless and irrelevant in comparison to the actual reality.

It is 100% meaningless if some people fear or perceive Dublin to be a dangerous place, the reality is that it is not and this is backed up by clear data.

If you have any data to disprove this, fire ahead and show us it.

Potential-Monke

This thread is hilarious and really points out just how **** stupid humanity is. One side says its safe, no way it couldn't be safe because I feel safe, so no one else should feel unsafe. The other side saying the opposite. Its like opinions are personal and based on lived experience. But no, one side is right and thats it.

There's no such thing as 100% safe. The feelings you get walking around are 100% personal and based on your own lived experiences. To tell someone that they are wrong while giving your own personal anecdote is just the height of ignorance.

I've let my thoughts about Dubland be known. I don't like the place. Majority of my experiences there were meh to bad. I dont like the accent so surrounding myself with it, relying on it to give a proper customer service depending on the service/goods being procured has left me wanting. I hate the traffic. I hate the looks of it, dirty looking if you look past the initial scene. I can't comment on how safe it is because I dont live there, but everything taken as a whole I dont have any love for it. I'd rather not go there, and I stick to that. Only went for thr first time in about 8 years to the PS Concert recently. Aside foom Rubys by the 3Arena being inexplicably affordable and nice for Dubland city, I didn't enjoy my time outside the concert. Everything (aside from Rubys) was more expensive for no reason other than greed, the same branded shops selling stuff slightly higher because they can (yes, happens elsewhere too). Im not a fan of the tracksuit clad important people, I'm not a fan of the misguided self importance that shines from most Dubs. So i avoid the place.

But no one can tell me my opinion is wrong, and its a right wahnkery move to tell people their opinions are wrong because you believe it to be. No one can tell anyone else how they should feel. The fact that some people feel unsafe is an indicator that its not as safe as the locals and lovers of Dubland would have you believe, regardless of their own lived experiences. And its no secret that the Dubs love Dubland, and Corkonians love Cork and can't put a bad word against their capital.

So, for the thread, do I think its unsafe? No idea. I dont visit enough to make that call. But media would have you know its certainly not a utopia. But its not Palestine either. Its on an ever moving scale between them.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123759054#Comment_123759054

I think you're just trying to wind me up at this point?

So nowhere is safe then, no?