Bienvenido to the New Presidente of Argentina- Javier Milei

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121399218#Comment_121399218

So....

He's a libertarian? haha

Cordell

*Netherlands joined the chat*

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403091#Comment_121403091

Proportional system, so no, we won't get that fuckwit as their PM under any circumstance based on the exit poll.

Grand coalition ala Germany so many times is the obvious outcome.

Cody montana

I saw Daily mail reader comments celebrating his win.

Then another article criticising him over his Falkland Islands comments.

Steviemak7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403422#Comment_121403422

The Daily Mail readers never understand that's it nationalist leaders that they are most likely to go war against either or their neighbours.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403114#Comment_121403114

Would he not be head of that coalition?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121398044#Comment_121398044

And forced birth

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403091#Comment_121403091

Its worrying, i know many posters will be delighted at the rise of the likes of Wilders but European countries isolating themselves won't be good for the EU or business and Russia must be loving it.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121400160#Comment_121400160

America now is the same as 10 years ago? I'm afraid that's not reality. The country has become much polarised on everything. The Republican Party aggressively to the right and now a lot of its grassroots are regularly engaging in intimidation and violence. There probably couldn't be a black President right now with the move rightwards.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403430#Comment_121403430

Nationalism is cancerous when it puts flags, borders and nations before people

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403453#Comment_121403453

No, cause his party won't be in it.

He hasn't got anywhere near a majority if the exit poll is correct

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403535#Comment_121403535

That is all Nationalism is now.

Money is always to be found when men are to be sent to the frontiers to be destroyed: when the object is to preserve them, it is no longer so.

-Voltaire

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396059#Comment_121396059

No they don't, that's just what they say to get votes. All they really care about is themselves and their rich buddies.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121404046#Comment_121404046

Sounds very familiar. Irish even.

Thelonious Monk

Trump cares about his people lol. He's been going on about "banning" homeless people and putting them into tent cities.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395571#Comment_121395571

Stall discussions until the petrol runs out, it'll take a while but then that's your chance to pull out the battery powered one for another 12 hours stalemate.

I look forward to chainsaw diplomacy.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121404046#Comment_121404046

Orban couldn't give a flying f*ck about "his" citizens (since when do politicians own people anyway) - its all about stoking culture wars (and hateful bigotry against certain groups) to empower himself.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403528#Comment_121403528

People's obsession with US politics is a bit off-topic but needs addressing. Polarisation works both ways the - not just "to the right". Tim Scott would certainly have a shot at being President, if it wasn't for the bizarre persistent popularity of Donald Trump. Many Democrats of course wouldn't vote for a Black man like Tim Scott (or Hermain Cain), does that makes them racist right-wingers?

Argentina's election of this strange fringe candidate is familiar in some ways. Its been pointed out earlier in this thread. Its not about a shift to "the right", but rather people being tired of the continued economic failures caused by the existing political consensus. The previous governments tended to have a "left" lean. So, people have reached a point where they are willing to try something radically different.

Its a lesson for all democracies that its important to have mainstream parties which offer genuine alternative choices to the electorate.

Far-right populist Javier Milei is the biggest vote-getter in Argentina's presidential primary | Euronews

randd1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121404941#Comment_121404941

There's an irony there though that right wing policies tend to make them worse off; look at the disaster of what Trickle-Down economics does to places that employs it. It effectively destroys public services and workers rights, while making the rich insanely richer and more powerful.

What modern right-wing policies (and I'm not talking traditional conservative policies, such as live within your means, fiscal responsibility) do, and do very well, is give something, or someone, to blame for the state of things.

Steviemak7

Just when I thought South America was moving back towards the centre after Brazil elections

HalloweenJack

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-67809237

I understand the logic (protests create more work for the police) and the people who complain about wasting state money are going to love it but it is a nuanced way of shutting down criticism.

With the economic problems Argentina is having (~150% inflation and 40% living in poverty, according to the article), protesting is now an additional expense and surely isn't going to be high on the list of priorities when people are struggling to make ends meet.

This is the problem with rich people running the world. A guy who can spend $50,000 on cloning his dogs isn't going to have a problem paying to protest but for the two out of five Argentinians living in poverty, it's going to be a lot tougher to get the money together.

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121405166#Comment_121405166

Not really new or modern, it has actually that has always been the case especially the blame part

kksaints

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121528689#Comment_121528689

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/17/argentina-president-javier-milei-security-guidelines-protests-currency-devaluation?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Thr hypocrisy of the justice minister in this case is fairly typical of most of these far right politicians. It's pretty much "I can do these things but you plebs can't because we don't want you forming a political group from protests like we did". It's always the same with these far right political parties, use protests to gain popularity then once in power immediately make it as hard as possible for people to protest or tighten controls on the media so that other political groups can't do the same as they did.

Starfire20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396394#Comment_121396394

yeah, violent overthrow of the democratically elected government.

decades of brutal violence and repression, state sanctioned murder etc but who cares right? line on graph went up and the wealthy got richer.

disgusting.

growleaves

Irish people vote for Fine Gael and Fianna Fail and then demand that Brazilians and Argentines vote for radical socialism. Why?

We get Albert Reynolds, Bertie Ahern, Kenny, Varadkar etc. but if somebody from South America wants to vote for a centre-right politician then suddenly that politician is "Trump-like", "far right". Talk about having your cake and eating it!

Also it isn't as if Murray Rothbard has suddenly become popular in Argentina. This is basically just a correction to a less socialist type of economy which happened here also with Fianna Fail-Progressive Democrats coalitions.

Ask why Argentines are sick of Peronism (and the Kirchner's neo-Peronism) which is also "nationalist" btw...suffocating taxation with a huge faction of white-collar voters unable to get off the ground and start in life or their children are unable to, including even newly qualified doctors and dentists struggling. Huge subsidies flowing from taxed groups to other interest groups.

Irish people tend to ignore the fact that they themselves vote for exactly the kind of economically liberal, conservative government they claim that Brazilians and Argentines shouldn't ever have.

eightieschewbaccy

Center right? Ah yes, the classic centrist position of allowing for the sale of organs.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121541302#Comment_121541302

He was talking about the fact that 35,000 eligible organ donors die in Argentina each year without any agreement about what to do with their organs. A reporter from the Buneos Aires Herald suggested he wanted to let people sell their organs after they die and Mileli didn't contradict him. I don't agree with what that implies but then I don't agree with abortion either.

Nonetheless apart from sideshow issues like that, which are so far only theoretical anyway, he is basically trying to liberalise the Argentine economy along Anglo-American lines.

There is no large Irish constituency for a Lula, a Chavez, a Castro or Peronism. Lula's Irish allies on international foreign policy are Mick Wallace and Clare Daly who are soon to be obliterated electorally for not supporting NATO.

Like I said, the Irish attiude towards South American politics is pure "Do as I say, not what I do". Moderate play-it-safe liberalism for me (complete with large injections of capital from Americans MNCs), radical Marxism for you.

ancapailldorcha

When the only defence is "Look over there!", you've lost the argument.

I detest Thatcher and Reagan as much as anyone but to my knowledge, they never disappeared anyone.

Kermit.de.frog

South America has tried socialism. It didn't work. Surprise, surprise.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121548762#Comment_121548762

Obviously they didn’t try it right. Plus when you have Guyana being an aggressor, it doesn’t help.