No poppy thread this year??

downcow · 11-11-2023 11:19pm

Royal Albert hall event was touching beyond belief, as always. Great to see the Greenfinches of the UDR get recognised so many years on. Also the Royal Irish got special place in ceremony.

it is special to be part of the UK on a night like this. Sadness and pride.

Xander10 · 11-11-2023 11:20pm

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It is a fact that no one is allowed present on UK TV without wearing one. Why are you saying different?

downcow · 11-11-2023 11:24pm

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Absolutely nonsense. Bbc, for one, is completely clear that it is voluntary. That fact you are saying this demonstrates that you are unhappy that so many want to wear it. Sad really.

BorneTobyWilde · 11-11-2023 11:27pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6uKMYYBeA

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Xander10 · 11-11-2023 11:38pm

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I'm happy for anyone who wants to wear one, wearing one. Made up assumption by you of my view.

Name one presenter on ITV, BBC, sky, that isn't currently wearing a poppy on TV now?

AyeGer · 11-11-2023 11:40pm

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When it’s virtually everyone these days including Irish people who wouldn’t wear one if they weren’t on British TV. This wasn’t the case even 20 years ago. It’s so contrived.

AyeGer · 11-11-2023 11:52pm

I never had an issue down the years with people choosing to wear the poppy.

But it’s this recent thing of EVERYBODY on English TV wearing them now. It doesn’t seem genuine, I don’t believe everyone wants to wear one, maybe 70%, 80%, even 90% but not 100%. It’s all just a bit suspect imo.

Strazdas · 11-11-2023 11:58pm

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I'm slightly puzzled at the constant wearing of the poppy on TV. People could make a generous donation to the Legion without wearing one....the wall to wall poppies for a fortnight on TV looks quite bizarre or weird to be honest.

Facthunt · 12-11-2023 12:02am

I’m curious…. Has anyone seen anyone south of the border wearing one?

All the Irish seem to wear them on UK television- Roy Keane, Graham Norton, Irish lady on Strictly come dancing, Irish who play football in the UK etc etc

12-11-2023 12:45am

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I think his mam (QE2) only wore a poppy on Remembrance Sunday itself. Having them wearing them for 2 or 3 weeks on telly is a bit OTT IMO.

gipi · 12-11-2023 12:51am

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Did I see one on Leo's lapel the other day when in the Dáil? I might have been mistaken, but thought I saw a small metal poppy.

Strazdas · 12-11-2023 1:01am

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He wears a special 'shamrock poppy' badge - a modified poppy superimposed onto a shamrock. I guess he wears it in honour of Ireland's war dead.

An Claidheamh · 12-11-2023 1:16am

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Sure,

shame the UDR are “commemorated” as terrorists like the UVF and the Royal “Irish” are from the south of England and will never rear their head in actual Ireland

BlueSkyDreams · 12-11-2023 2:00am

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I believe he does.

Anything to commemorate the dead from the war is a good thing.

France and other countries have their own versions also.

lumphammer2 · 12-11-2023 4:39am

We remember these wars .... yet we never learn from them ... WW1 ended 105 years ago and brought a nasty pandemic with it back to base .... but the Spanish flu was the least deadly of its legacy .... every war fought ever since was inspired by .... directly or otherwise ... WW1 ... lessons need learning .... the war to end all wars? sadly no ...

downcow · 12-11-2023 8:22am

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More nonsense

The RIR and the UDR are to all intent and purpose, the same. I am quite sure I am telling you what you know anyway.

The UDR was the largest infantry regiment in the British army. It amalgamated with the very small Irish Rangers to form the Royal Irish Regiment. It is held with great affection in Northern Ireland and is the go-to regiment for most young people joining the British army. And I’m sure you’re also aware one of us two bases are in Northern Ireland.

So to try to imply it’s unconnected to Northern Ireland, is just nuts

here is a homecoming I had the pleasure of attending. What you see here went on for literally miles. If you are not part of it, you could not fathom the affection and pride this regiment the held in. And so many paid the ultimate sacrifice.

https://youtu.be/H97khaS0xqg

downcow · 12-11-2023 8:36am

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In my view, there is no contradiction. It is quite simply about respect. I am guessing Roy Keane would not wear one if he were not on British TV, but when on British TV I assume he wears it out of respect to the British public who are watching and paying his wages. If anyone has some big personal issue with the poppy, then like others before them, they may choose they do not want to wear it on TV.

does it hurt peoples eyes looking at it? If I am not mistaken, I think our broadcasters in Northern Ireland wear a shamrock on Saint Patrick’s Day reading the news. I don’t imagine this is something they wear outside of the newsroom, but again, they presumably wear it to show respect to the Irish people here for whom as it is important.

I am really not sure what the issue is except simply intolerance

iniscealtra · 12-11-2023 8:53am

I live in the west. I have never seen anyone wear a poppy. If I did I would assume they were English tourists.

downcow · 12-11-2023 9:05am

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If I was visiting the west of Ireland a round this time, I would not wear a poppy out of respect for locals and how they may perceive it.

bnt · 12-11-2023 9:20am

If you can confidently state that all English TV presenters are wearing poppies, maybe you shouldn’t be watching that much English TV ..? 😜

I happen to be in London at the moment and made a donation yesterday for a lapel pin. I’ve worn one in Dublin before and also went to the Remembrance ceremony at the Irish National War Memorial in 2018. It wasn’t a problem.

“The Troubles” might be on people’s minds in Ireland, understandably, but that’s not on people’s minds in the UK. You can say schoolchildren should learn about that and be ashamed, but would you say the same about the Raj, or Aden, or the Second Boer war and its concentration camps? The English Civil Wars were far more important to England, and Cromwell’s invasion of Ireland was basically a side quest to the main narrative.

elperello · 12-11-2023 9:46am

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If you were at any of the commemorations held in ROI yesterday you would have seen people wearing poppies.

ancapailldorcha · 12-11-2023 10:29am

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I had to wear them at Church growing up. That said, this was the nineties so it was fair to say that it actually was about remembering the fallen.

slay55 · 12-11-2023 10:36am

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Do you know this for fact ?

just googled and you are talking nonsense

eightieschewbaccy · 12-11-2023 10:51am

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I absolutely think British children should learn about the concentration camps, the famines, the partitions of lndia & Ireland and treatment of native populations. You can claim these are "side quests" but they had long term global impacts and maybe young people might benefit from understanding what "empire" was.

Similar to how US schools tend to avoid topics like the Vietnam war, it's more to do with avoiding the unpleasant realities of a nation's history. Plus when the British government tends to love to push the concept of empire, you don't want to actually show it for what it is.

Hyperbollix · 12-11-2023 10:52am

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Roy had a reputation as a brute force hardman, but he was always a skilled tacitican and shrewd operator, both on and off the field. He always knew where his bread was buttered and made no bones about it.

The poppy hysteria in the UK is curious but so very British and particularly in this age of conformism. Is it any wonder they would end up with a fanatical, semi religious weekend of worship to a symbol? Not really, it's been going that way a long time and now with a, let's call a spade a spade, fascist home secretary and PM in waiting, I wouldn't be surprised if observance became compulsory with penalties for those who need some "reeducation"

The remembrance aspect of the day is like the religious aspect of Christmas. At this stage its just a set of rituals to give pomp and circumstance to what is essentially a festival of economic consumption. The whole poppy thing is now an excuse for mainly older white British people of all classes to come together to celebrate "Britishness™" and revel in the glorious past when the world shook with the force of their might. A chance, for one day, to think of King and Country and bellow the anthem proudly in the faces of all those who now tell them they are being problematic.