Voyager revisited - this time it’s Neelixy

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121313267#Comment_121313267

Bruce greenwood has a commanding presence alright

Discovery was shite though

odyssey06

I was disappointed with how the Seska played out after a promising start.

I thought there was more mileage to the concept of - well she's a Cardassian but we need her on the ship to do X and she plays along. Could have brought an alternative view, similar to Seven of Nine later.

McFly85

Voyager had a terrible start. They bailed on the concept pretty much immediately.

We were given a situation where a crew was thrown 70000 light years from home with a skeleton crew and a load of maquis on board, how will they manage with everyone having their own agenda without any help from Starfleet?

Pretty easily as it happens. The maquis just become starfleet officers, even happy to wear the uniform. Also the first friendly alien they meet is an expert in delta quadrant trade.

After that it became TNG with different aliens.

It’s a concept I think would be executed much better now - but Star Trek shows outside of DS9 haven’t really shown any interest in challenging the ideal of Starfleet, which would really need to be one of the core themes to be interesting at all.

Evade

I don't think Voyager had a skeleton crew just not enough for a long duration mission.

I read a comment few years ago that having Janeway start off as the first officer and the captain being killed might have made things more interesting. Especially if Chakotay was much more experienced before leaving Starfleet. But then if the execution was the same it wouldn't have made any difference.

The scarcity of resources thing could have been done a lot better too. The only real scarcity should have been non replicatable things, like gel packs, and antimatter which would have to.be traded for.

McFly85

There was about 140 crew on Voyager I think?

Probably not bare bones but you’d imagine they’d have to work around the clock just to maintain it.

All of the stuff that was present in TNG was just sort of forgotten about for Voyager. The enterprise was regularly going to starbases to be fixed up after an encounter, allow the crew shore leave/rotation etc.

Voyager didn’t have any of that, so they would have to be able to run, maintain, and repair voyager themselves, which seems a very tall order. Even if they managed to scavenge the parts required for repairs they’re not shipbuilders.

I am very aware that this is nitpicky but it’s another example of something that could have been interesting about the show that was essentially just ignored. At most there was talk of replicator rationing and having Neelix cook instead but the ship apart from that was able to function exactly like it would in the alpha quadrant.

ZeroThreat

I would have preferred the 'evil' Janeway (with the black leather gloves) and the 'warship Voyager' throughout the series to the actual character we got . 😁

Inviere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121365979#Comment_121365979

They lost some key personel in the Caretaker incident too didn't they? Cmo, Chief Engineer, etc

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366152#Comment_121366152

Yeah. Some of the officers we saw on screen before their deaths (First officer, Helm, CMO) but I don't think we ever saw the original Chief Engineer.

Greyjoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121314180#Comment_121314180

I've started a Voyager rewatch and would have much preferred this version of Seska as someone the crew needed but couldn't entirely trust vs the ridiculous 'soap opera' villain we got - "I'm having your secret baby Chakotay!" 🙄

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121365979#Comment_121365979

They landed on a planet for a refit once. That’s about the only thing I remember

Brian?

Half way through season 2, they’ve been travelling for months and they are still dealing with the Kayzon. Makes no sense.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121384766#Comment_121384766

They cruise at a pretty low warp factor, 3 or 4 IIRC, so they haven't really gone that far. 70,000 ly in 70 years is 1000 ly per year so by now they've gone 500 or so, the Federation is about 8,000 ly across at this time. Logarithmic speed scales are hard to visualise.

EDIT: If Voyager could sustain its top speed as given by Tom in the 37's it would only take about 3 years to get home.

Inviere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121385246#Comment_121385246

Plus, I think it was established that the Trabe empire was one of significant size. I do take the point though, that it seemed like the same few Kazon were around every corner. More could have been done to convey the illusion of travel, but I suppose costs dictated these things. The Kazon makeup etc likely wasn't cheap.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121385313#Comment_121385313

Plus Janeway had to stop to investigate every little anomaly and coffee filled Nebula. Putting a scene in Caretaker about not being able to run the engines at high warp a lot and having to stop to let them cool down, for lack of a better term, would have done a lot to answer why they're always stopping and why it would take so long to get home.

Inviere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121385328#Comment_121385328

True, but wasn't it established they'd need to stop regularly to look for supplies, foods, allies, etc?

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121385340#Comment_121385340

I think so but coffee nebula aside it was mostly "hey look, that's weird. Let's stop for a week to look at it."

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121385246#Comment_121385246

The most common speed is warp 7.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121386174#Comment_121386174

You're closer. In Pathfinder it's stated as warp 6.2 is their average. But I'm not sure if or how they accounted for the skips they got between Message in a Bottle and Pathfinder (Timeless, Night, and Dragon's Teeth.)

Stark

I'm pretty sure that has to be excluding jumps. Tried to work out what warp 6 was in terms of light speed from memory alpha but depictions of warp speed on screen are wildly inconsistent. As far as I remember from the show though, they were averaging about 1000 light years per season under their own steam (excluding jumps).

Stark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121385416#Comment_121385416

It's actually pretty logical imo. Just following the brute force approach of keep heading in the direction of Federation space and don't look around, most of the crew would have died of old age by the time they got there. They needed to look around for interesting anomalies/species etc. in order to find shortcuts.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121389624#Comment_121389624

McCoy was a spry 137 in Encounter at Farpoint so most of the crew probably could have made it.

Brian?

I look forward to evolving into an amphibian.

Brian?

They’re trying to deactivate a Cardassian missile.

Why didn’t the Cardassians use them in the dominion war, they’re impossible to destroy.

Stark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393401#Comment_121393401

Ah Emmy Award Winner Threshold, where to start with that episode. The whole complete misunderstanding of asymptotic measuring scale. (A ship going faster and faster will go warp 9.9, 9.99, 9.999, 9.9999 and so on, it won't just go "oops, infinite velocity"). The complete misunderstanding of how evolution works. The whole leaving the babies on a strange planet with no idea what's going to happen to either the offspring or that planet's ecosystem. To be fair, the butchering of evolution/DNA concepts follows in a long Star Trek tradition, the most egregious example I can think of being TNG's "Genesis".

Evade

At least genesis is entertaining

Brian?

S2E24: Tuvix.

I’m losing interest. They still haven’t outrun the Kazon, they stop far too often. The reverse aging kids were really a low point.

Stark

The Kazons are gone by season 3 thankfully. Thought hthe show generally got a lot better then.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121423507#Comment_121423507

I was sick over the weekend so I binge watched too much.

You’re right, when the Kazon are gone it gets better. When 7 arrives it steps up again

Greyjoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121402438#Comment_121402438

It was a doomsday weapon that did seem unbeatable all right. I suppose from the Cardassian point of view they launched it at a maquis target and it just vanished into the badlands without ever reaching its target. They could easily have written it off as having been destroyed or a flawed guidance system.