Looking to build a 2nd PC Workstation Upgrade & Need 512GB RAM

ZingK

1. What is your budget? €3500

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? I run simulations that require lots of RAM and CPU. The more RAM I have the bigger sims I can run, and the better the CPU the quicker my sims run. I need 512GB RAM and am unsure about what CPU, just know it needs to be the best I can get for my budget to allow me to work faster.

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? [Yes/No] I need Windows 11

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? I am thinking of keeping my old PC as a 2nd PC so I can work faster using 2 PCs. So not really.

5. Do you need a monitor? Do not need help with this.

5a. If yes, what size do you need. Do not need help with this.

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? Do not need help with this.

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? [Keyboard/Mouse/Wireless Card/Card Reader/Speakers/etc.] Do not need help with this.

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? No

8. How can you pay? PayPal /Debit Card/ Revolut

9. When are you purchasing? As soon as I know what I want and can get it for a decent price. 

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? Dublin 8

Spear

512GB of RAM means going Threadripper/Epyc or Xeon at that level. Do the parts have to be brand new, or is second hand/refurbished acceptable?

10-10-20

Don't forget to decide on whether you'll want to upgrade that memory in the future too as you could easily max-out the slots with 32GB DIMM's at a reasonable price, but 64GB DIMM's might only leave you with a limited upgrade path. For example:

On the CPU front, on Intel you have from 12 to 56 cores available... need to decide how many cores you want as it will affect the budget significantly.

ZingK

To be perfectly honest I do not have much of a clue on what I want or need as have not done the research yet apart from looking at some motherboards with 512GB Capacity. I thought I would ask here to give me some direction before I went searching. I am getting the feeling I need to increase my budget and am willing to stretch a bit if necessary as I may have no other option? I think I want everything new.

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121248929#Comment_121248929

What boards did you find which support 512GB so far?

As Spear says with Threadripper/Epyc or Xeon, you're into professional or enterprise-level hardware when you want to go to 512GB as the memory which I pasted in are enterprise RDIMM's with ECC (error correction code). They are a price premium as it's high-end stuff. If that's not what you're aiming for ( with a budget of 3,500), then I'm off the mark.

ZingK

It has not been easy, I thought I had one https://www.custompc.ie/catalog/product/view/id/4728287/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw4bipBhCyARIsAFsieCy4FJ2tVWpN6qFenOfodDf6_tNeabpgh9TG13HSpOTKJPrzvOZXA9saAsCdEALw_wcB but it turns out that is 256 and there is this one https://www.memoryc.ie/25586-asus-workstation-pro-se-intel-c422-ddr4-sdram-motherboard.html?fc=IE&gad=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw4bipBhCyARIsAFsieCzKSVe3LTF6fHKI7LmLPdgpUPJKpLGsulhmGOabPpGXXdOxsJfPxgUaAnEeEALw_wcB

512GB was the dream scenario but I did not realise that 512GB motherboards were so uncommon. 384GB or 256GB may have to do me. They will be a significant upgrade over the 64GB and old processor (AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Processor 3.00 GHz) I am working with now.

If you guys can recommend a workstation build for a 384GB or 256GB with the best CPU for my budget, that would be highly appreciated. I would like to review and study your suggestions to put me on the right path of what I want to get.

Thanks for your time, much appreciated.

10-10-20

You can get 512GB of memory, but I think you'll be looking at a price of around 15 to 20k for the system.

More in the consumer-space, the highest range i9 CPU (i9-10920X) is limited to 256GB, as far as I can see.

Have a play around here under the fixed Precision workstation section and see what budget range and config you end up in:

https://www.dell.com/en-ie/shop/scc/sr/workstations/precision-desktops

10-10-20

Oh and look at M.2 NVMe drives too - you'll benefit from a very fast drive here if the modeling application pages to disk (supports virtual memory). The faster the better in that respect. You'll need two really as you'll need to have them in a mirror.

Spear

As mentioned, the prior Intel HEDT X299 platform can reach 256GB of RAM. Parts can still be obtained new, they're still costly, but better than the full enterprise stuff. Once you pass into the enterprise grade domain, the price just skyrockets. Plain Threadrippers max out at 256GB too, with the Pro variant needed for more.

ZingK

Wow, that is expensive. I underestimated the price I would be paying for this set up by a good bit.

Considering RAM and CPU are the most important factors for me to help me work faster. What do you reccomend, or is the best way for me to proceed, to build an upgraded PC Workstation for €3500 - €5000? Would there be any benefit in waiting till after Christmas to purchase it? 256GB RAM seems like the number now and might even have to be lower.

10-10-20

What CPU and memory do you have on the current system?

Another option would be to buy a refurb'd branded workstation with a mid-range Xeon or a high-end i9 with a tiny bit of memory and go that route by upgrading the memory. I see lots of options that way. Example here:

https://www.refurbed.ie/p/dell-precision-7820-tower/39957b/

4x64GB memory would be around EUR 3,200 for that.

ZingK

AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Processor 3.00 GHz

Custom-gigabyte-AB350-Gaming 3 Gigabyte AB350-Gaming 3 x 1 motherboard

Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO SL 32 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4 3200 MHz C16 and 64.0 GB RAM

GTX 1050 2gb

Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB PCIe NVMe M.2 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (MZ-V7S2T0) & another old Toshiba 2TB Disk Drive for backups including some external drives for backups too.

This is my current PC which works great and I will be keeping it as a 2nd PC.

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058318492/looking-to-build-a-2nd-pc-workstation-upgrade-need-512gb-ram

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/RhdQPF

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler (€99.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€60.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€60.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 12 GB Video Card (€306.31 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Case: Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case (€82.89 @ Caseking)

Power Supply: be quiet! Straight Power 12 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€207.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Custom: ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-Sage SE WIFI (€791.90) (Amazon DE)

Custom: AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5955WX, 16C/32T, 4.00-4.50GHz (€1155.99) (Amazon DE)

Custom: Samsung RDIMM, DDR4-3200, CL22, ECC reg, 512GB (64GB x8) (€1079.20) (Caseking)

Total: €3845.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-17 15:27 CEST+0200

This is as close to 3'500 as I could get.

I'm in D8 😎

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121249985#Comment_121249985

Pretty good! Those RDIMM's are a good price.

K.O.Kiki

Quick update - spend an extra 20 to upgrade PSU from 850 Platinum to 1000 Platinum.

Spear

That wrx80 build is a decent path. It's still a current system, has the RAM capacity and a solid core count. The other options are older tech or refurbished tech, or going overboard on costs, so it's a good balance.

ZingK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121249985#Comment_121249985

Thanks a million for that, I can try and go for something like this.

I guess I will try and see what type of prices I get for someone to me build something close to this.

Do you have any reccomendations of places to get something like this built? Or I will just do my own research online?

Spear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250133#Comment_121250133

I've no problem building it for you, but it's pretty simple to assemble. The only unusual part is getting the CPU in the socket right, as they have a torx screwdriver to ensure even pressure. The rest is just slotting the bits in or screwing bits together.

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250050#Comment_121250050

Yeah, the only caveat being that they're Zen 3 so they can't support AVX-512. If those instruction sets are important, you'd be looking at AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (16-cores/32-threads) but with no core count upgrade path until Ryzen 8000/9000 series (if ever) and 192GB RAM max; or Intel HEDT which is either much older, or vastly over budget.

edit

Or wait for Zen 4 "Storm Peak" (will be expensive though).

Beta Ray Bill

I have to ask the question... what type of sims are are running that require 512GB of RAM?

Even if you managed to find a board that had enough slots for 512GB of RAM, I think you'd run into CPU bottle necks, You'd be looking at a multiple CPU setup to leverage that amount of RAM, OR You'll need to buy a Xeon or Epyc CPU (These are server chips)

How did you come to the figure of 512GB?

What hardware are you currently using for your simulations?

ZingK

I am not sure if this is any use but these are an example of results of different processors used for the application I am using:

1.54 mio h/s, Hetzner RX220, Ampere ® Altra ® Q80-30, Linux

1.36 mio h/s, Hetzner AX161, AMD EPYC™ 7502P, Linux

0.92 mio h/s, Hetzner AX102, Ryzen 7950x3d, Windows Server 2022

0.73 mio h/s, Ryzen 5900x, Linux

0.66 mio h/s, Ryzen 5900x, Windows 10

I was advised 512GB RAM being ideal by the application support but I can use 64GB as I am currently using to 128GB to 256GB etc. The more RAM I have the better the sims I can run and the better the processor the faster time they take to complete.

I was just looking to upgrade my current system to work faster as my sims are taking longer than I would like. I can still work like this and just run sims during the night and extract data the next day but sometimes I need to run sims during the day and need them ASAP. So was just looking to upgrade my current system.

If I got a better PC with 256GB Ram I would consider it. For now I am considering building something similar to what has been kindly reccomended by K.O.Kiki

Spear

Do you know if AVX512 instructions are supported in your software? It might be worth researching that aspect. They could offer significant speed improvements if they're an option, but it would also influence your choices.

ZingK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250280#Comment_121250280

No but I can ask them, they are quite good with feedback. Is there any other specific questions I should ask them to help me build a better PC to use specifically with their software in mind?

Thanks a mil for all your help, always.

ZingK

I asked the question:

Does it support AVX512 instructions for enhanced performance? Are there any specific system requirements or considerations related to AVX512 support that I should be aware of?

Let me see what they say. If there are any more questions I need to ask please lmk.

Going for a walk, back later, thanks a mil.

ZingK

Does it support AVX512 instructions for enhanced performance? Are there any specific system requirements or considerations related to AVX512 support that I should be aware of?

“We don't specifically use that, but you will still get some benefits due to JVM auto vectorization”

That is the feedback I got.

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250525#Comment_121250525

https://itnext.io/auto-vectorization-how-to-get-beaten-by-compiler-optimization-java-jit-vector-api-92c72b97fba3

I'm not an expert, but it doesn't look like it's worth considering AVX-512 so.

Cordell

Not necessarily, what that article shows is that vectorization improvements (up to 2x) can be wasted when there is a bigger bottleneck - when the CPU spends 90% of the cycles on I/O improving the speed of the 10% spent on compute won't result in any tangible improvements. The code they used is too simple, in order to get improvements the split between compute and I/O needs to lean the other way.

ricimaki

Given the requirements, I wonder if this particular case is better served by renting compute power?

How many hours per week will you be running the simulations for? If it is constant usage, buying a PC will probably make more sense, but if not, it could take a couple of years before you'd spend €3500 on rental.

For example, you can rent a 24 core Xeon server with 256GB RAM and 8TB storage for around €0.50 per hour here. There are probably some extra charges with that, but it would take over 40 weeks of continuous usage before spending €3500 on it.

ZingK

I run simulations almost every day for many hours. I considered renting and know some people that do but prefer buying the best PC I can for approx €3500 to €4000. I need to upgrade my PC anyway and having 2 PCs will have benefits for me too. I am considering all the suggestions made here and going to review my best options as soon as I get time. Thanks.

Spear

If nothing else, please do consider all the options carefully on this one. This is a lot of money to go spending, and I can't imagine anyone here wants to see you rush into it and have it go wrong.

ricimaki

Something I did just remember which could catch you out if you're not aware, is if you'll need a Pro or Enterprise version of Windows, otherwise you'll be limited to 128GB RAM accessible.

Also, triple check compatibility between the RAM modules, motherboard and CPU. ECC ram can be finicky to get working.

Having a quick look on ebay, there seems to be some bargains (relatively speaking) for slightly older server hardware. For example, This one has 2x 22 core processors and 512GB RAM for ~€3000.

ZingK

Thanks for advice, appreciate it.

I am considering waiting for Zen 4 "Storm Peak", and see what type of prices I am looking at, even though I expect them to be sky high. It might bring down the price of some of my current options too.

I could really do with something ASAP but am willing to wait a while.

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121256875#Comment_121256875

The CPUs in that machine are E5-2699 V4 from 2016. They are also EOL (no longer supported by Intel).

2 of them would still be worse than a single 5955WX according to Passmark.

Much better to buy new parts IMHO. You don't know if the used parts have degraded in performance, and you have no warranties.

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121256923#Comment_121256923

DDR5 ECC modules are running over 235-270 per 64GB stick, so you'd have to add another grand to your budget for 512GB 😐️

TBH I'd just bite the bullet on the 5955WX system.

Maybe downgrade the GPU to a GT1030 or used w/ever if you're certain you can't benefit from the CUDA capabilities/12GB VRAM of the 3060?

ZingK

To be perfectly honest I'm not sure.

I just thought I would wait for Storm Peak, see what is available, and in the meantime the build you showed me for example might become cheaper.

I would also consider paying an extra 1k or so if necessary. Don't love it, but if it make sense I would do it as I see this as an investment. I need it to be more productive which may allow me to make more money.

The GPU you added was not available anymore, I don't want to downgrade, maybe upgrade if anything.

Thanks for your help and advice.

Spear

From reading some of the rumours about Storm Peak, the possible new non-pro Threadrippers may strike a happier medium, and fill the HEDT role better than the overkill Xeon W series and Threadripper Pro does. But there's still large gap between announcing and availability.

Spear

Here's the new Threadripper details, with suggested prices;

https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-10-19-amd-introduces-new-amd-ryzen-threadripper-7000-ser.html

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121259057#Comment_121259057

Pity there's no pricing for 7945WX / 7955WX.

And the only motherboard revealed today (Gigabyte TRX50 AERO D) is quad-channel instead of octo-channel.

Spear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121259273#Comment_121259273

Octo channel is reserved for the WRX chipset instead. Odd that that Gigabyte TRX50 board only has 4 DIMM slots. 512GB is still possible, but horrifically expensive. Maybe the Asus or Asrock offerings will be better.

Cuddlesworth

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121250268#Comment_121250268

Its rare for base level tech support to do more then read from the script.

Those results imply the simulations are more CPU intensive then memory, since the ARM based RX220 is limited to 256gig of ram. It would have been nice to give the memory values, since they can be configured with "up to" specific amounts. Or what the storage was, high memory applications work much better pulling off the likes of a good NVME.

Assuming base specs, the performance per core would be roughly.

.0193 80 Ampere

.0213 32/64 7502P Zen2 base 128gig

.0287 16/32 Zen4 base 64gig

.03 12/24 Core Zen 3 base

It seems like it scales more with cores/threads, then with anything else but not linearly which is not unusual. I'm actually surprised at how little drop off there is in performance.

Only issue I see is value for money, the price/performance doesn't scale linearly either. You would want to consider the balance point if this isn't revenue generating. You see that with the system that K.O.Kiki put together. The above would imply that a 7950x system with 196gigs of ram(price roughly 2k) would perform similar to a threadripper system that he put together. Or a 7900x with 100gig would probably comes close at near half the price again.

If you could break up the workloads you would probably save a lot of money buying multiple systems.

ZingK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260466#Comment_121260466

I've been advised these are rough ratings and there is currently no intergrated benchmark for the app.

The large amount of RAM required is to allow me to give more options / build larger sims which when given more options will result in more accurate results. CPU will affect the speed of the simulation and how long it takes to complete. Ideally need both to be very good.

512GB would be nice but I could use less. 192, 256, 384 would be still good for me and a big upgrade.

But yes, value for money is extremley important and one of the reasons I am here trying to get advice off all of you guys. I am just looking for an upgrade on current system to allow me to work faster with more accuracy.

I'm open to all advice and appreciate your time and suggestions, thanks.

EDIT: With less RAM, the options I can insert are limited. The more options I can insert, the higher the accuracy of the results. I am currently working with 64GB and have limitations with the size of the sims I can create. My results are ok but could be better with bigger sims. I also can not run some larger stuff that I need and just have to ignore it till I get more RAM.

minitrue

192GB is the value for money route as plain old boring desktop hardware (AM5 or LGA1700) supports it now with 4*48GB of DDR5. Very very roughly €2k would get you a 7950x with 192GB.

Going back to some prior comments, if you don't need a gpu for this then don't get one at all and run it headless or off onboard/cpu graphics or at least stick with something cheap. Likewise the figures you posted seem to say Linux gets a significant (10%) bump so you shouldn't be caring about windows versions ram limits.

Now if the machine is meant to do more than just run this you might want a gpu or windows but either will drop the value for money and in windows case it seems drop the performance non-trivially.

And of course with a €2k-ish machine that leaves plenty of money to use to play with on demand servers. As long as "sometimes" is rare enough you could be spinning up something big for short bursts when you want results during the day asap (or just want to try a run that even 512GB couldn't handle). I appreciate the devil is in the detail but feel it's probably worth you setting it up to experiment with and have in your arsenal. You might even just do it now before buying anything to see what 192GB/256GB/512GB will actually do for you and maybe how long your more ambitious higher ram runs would take on various cpus.

Lumen

Would it make sense to run these workloads on the cloud? Looking at current AWS spot pricing you can get (for example) m5d.metal instances with 384GB and 96VCPUs for around $1.70/hr. How many hours are you going to be running this stuff?

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121261553#Comment_121261553

IIRC the 48GB DDR5 sticks are relatively unstable on AMD AM5 motherboards. I'm not sure if they've improved stability, but at least they're available with ECC.

ZingK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121262891#Comment_121262891

I will be running stuff most days for lots of hours.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121261553#Comment_121261553

The suggestion of getting a PC with less RAM and using a rented server for the larger sims is worth considering.

To be perfectly honest I would prefer just to have a PC to do it all for me and not have to rent out anything except for extremely large sims so that I could do the majority of my work on my workstation.

I'd also prefer to use windows 11 pro too. When we asked the software company if having LINUX OS was much better, they said "No, the difference from Window vs Linux above is a couple of % at most and some of it could just be random."

"192GB is the value for money route as plain old boring desktop hardware (AM5 or LGA1700) supports it now with 4*48GB of DDR5. Very very roughly €2k would get you a 7950x with 192GB." I think I would consider something like this.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

minitrue

They say "a couple of %" for Linux Vs Windows but the figures they gave you have the 5900X 10.5% faster on Linux (0.73 Vs 0.66) which is non-trivial.

As KO Kiki says 192GB support for AM5 in particular is very new so you would probably want to do a bit of research to try and find a motherboard with good reports of working with it. I'd expect Intel to be less flaky in terms of the ram but the power consumption difference between a 7950X and 14900K is huge, but in this whole conversation I'm not sure you would really care. Pretty impossible for us to guess though how the speeds would compare for your software between those processors, it may love or hate Intel's performance and effeciency cores setup.

As for running stuff most days for lots of hours, just remember that say 96 vcpu (aka 96 threads or 48 cores) is likely to run things a lot quicker than your own 32 thread machine. I suspect at $10/hour it's still not very viable for near daily use from what you've said, though if the odd job that really does demand asap treatment isn't too frequent the price of a 192 vcpu (or maybe one of the even bigger machines or equivalent elsewhere) might be worth it to you.

Cuddlesworth

Its a interesting thread and its probably worth pointing out that with renting, you don't pay power costs. And right now, they should really be taken into consideration. 400 watts continuously running is roughly 1200 quid a year, assuming a .41 rate and 80% usage. A Hetzner AX161 is what, 1700 to rent. Thats roughly 500 quid a year for a 32core system 128gigs of ram system if you were really running it hard, as a example.

I kind of like 2 options for self build.

The safe option, a 7950x with 192gigs of ram. 48gb dimms have been out for a while now, you usually see the reports from first adopters about issues that get resolved quickly. It would be faster and reliable, decent power efficiency.

The risky option, the aliexpress build. You can pickup 2nd gen EYPC procs, memory, motherboards, coolers etc for quite cheap as they clear out DC's in Asia and replace them with newer server CPU's. Just browsing there, a dual EPYC 7452(64 core total) + mobo = 1400. DDR4 64gig registered come out at roughly 60 quid. So 1TB(16x64gb) is around 1k. That leaves around 1k for power supply, cooling, case for the server mobo. And you would save on heating costs for the winter with the heat coming out of the thing.

Cuddlesworth

One more thing, while it has gotten better, Windows sucks at large cpu/memory workloads across CPU's like EYPC. The scheduling just isn't as good as newer Linux Kernels. If your serious about spending this money to do a specific thing, then Linux should be a option to run it.

cornholio509

Just watched the press release for the new 7000 series . And boy are the prices steep . NOw not sure about ram support . Non pro says 1tb max of DDR5 . Supports ECC and non ECC ram . However others say its 128 GB of ram .ram support is conflicting at the moment . AMD doesn't have specs listed on their own site yet .The official launch is the 21st of next month so its worth waiting and see if this is a road you are willing to go down .

On the other hand you can get a pre configured blade server with an EPYC 64 core CPU on ebay for in around €3000 . That said if you want to put it in a PC case you will have to look for a compatible cooler and buy a PSU for it . ALso buy a cheap as gtx 1030 so you can connect it to a monitor .

DO a bit of research here though and make sure you get as new as possible by checking model numbers .

ZingK

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121264088#Comment_121264088

Can you please show me a build for the following: "The safe option, a 7950x with 192gigs of ram. 48gb dimms have been out for a while now, you usually see the reports from first adopters about issues that get resolved quickly. It would be faster and reliable, decent power efficiency."

I would like to consider it, thanks a mil.

And is it ok to ask how this build would compare versus:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/RhdQPF

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler (€99.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€60.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€60.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 12 GB Video Card (€306.31 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Case: Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case (€82.89 @ Caseking)

Power Supply: be quiet! Straight Power 12 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€207.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Custom: ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-Sage SE WIFI (€791.90) (Amazon DE)

Custom: AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5955WX, 16C/32T, 4.00-4.50GHz (€1155.99) (Amazon DE)

Custom: Samsung RDIMM, DDR4-3200, CL22, ECC reg, 512GB (64GB x8) (€1079.20) (Caseking)

Total: €3845.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-17 15:27 CEST+0200

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And then how do both of them compare versus waiting for Zen 4 "Storm Peak" with Gigabyte TRX50 AERO D?

versus Zen 4 "Storm Peak" with a better Motherboard?

I hope its cool to ask, how the different ideas I have been given talking to you guys and the different build options compare, so I can assess what I prefer. Always interesting to listen to you guys, you update my knowledge on PCs everytime I am here. Thanks a mil.

Regarding my electricity bill, my current PC is turned on almost 24/7 and my current PSU is something like SeaSonic 360W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply, either that or something similar. (Is it bad that I am too lazy to look at what it actually is? I tried device manager and msinfo32 but could not find it) So that is why my electricity bill is so high, makes sense. I'm always working on my PC, I'm also an office manager on call 6 days a week, among other work I do on my PC. I guess this new set up will make my electricity bill slightly more expensive but not a massive difference versus someone who does not use their PC as much as I already do. I will have 2 PCs but the new one will be my main PC on all the time and 2nd PC on occassionally. That is the plan anyway.

K.O.Kiki

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/G7s6DZ

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 4.5 GHz 16-Core Processor (€595.20 @ Amazon Deutschland)

CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€38.29 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard (€388.73 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 96 GB (2 x 48 GB) DDR5-5600 CL40 Memory (€271.50 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 96 GB (2 x 48 GB) DDR5-5600 CL40 Memory (€271.50 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Storage: Samsung 980 Pro w/Heatsink 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€139.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Storage: Samsung 980 Pro w/Heatsink 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€139.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Video Card: Palit Dual OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card (€614.91 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Case: Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case (€82.89 @ Caseking)

Power Supply: be quiet! Straight Power 12 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€207.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Total: €2750.72

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-10-20 18:41 CEST+0200

AMD Ryzen 7950X build. Upgraded GPU to RTX 4070.

Expensive motherboard but the RAM is on its QVL so should work. As far as I understand it's not "true" ECC but should be fine?

Dual 2TB drives as I remembered 1TB drives are binned / perform worse.

Estimated power cost at 41c/WHr, 24/7, 2hrs gaming: €1'223.52/yr (The 5955WX system was ~€1'485.88/yr).

Can't give you an estimate for a Storm Peak system until we get prices for 7945/7955 CPUs and motherboards.

Oh, total aside: you can upgrade your current machine to Ryzen 5700X or 5800X3D if you want to keep it for gaming purposes; or 5900X/5950X if it'll still be running lots of calculations. €200-460 + €40 for a second Peerless Assassin 120 SE.