Rugby world cup post mortem

Boscoirl

This was a cracking game. Could have easily gone the other way. Just like the SA game.

NZ were excellent. They produced a couple MOM to create some excellent tries.

Ireland were also good. But some weakness in our set piece cost us in the end.

Kermit.de.frog

The foundations of Irish rugby with the provinces is very strong. We'll get there.

hawkwing

They were nearer in '91 than now. Def should have taken 3 at the start, it was NZ and not Namibia or someone, next thing 13-0 down and game nearly over, poorish missed penalty too, that was 6 points and the match winning difference, hindsight but still. One of the worst NZ teams ever against possibly the greatest Ireland team ever, think losing to SA would have been a better result. Like the soccer world cups often the team that starts poorish and keeps improving goes further than the ones that blow out the lights early on, same in the hurling with Limerick this year. The draw was a disaster so maybe in 4yrs a worse team will go further but by then who knows what Wales/Scotland/OZ etc will be like, possibly much stronger, but who knows. In fairness they died with the boots on but a massive opportunity missed. Also would Argentina have then caught them off guard in the semi, maybe not but would be like something that could have happened the way things go..

boomdocker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239333#Comment_121239333

who cares?

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239759#Comment_121239759

I am very doubtful after tonight. I just don't think we will ever do it. We will fcuk it up somehow. It's a bitter pill to swallow for Irish rugby tonight. We will be the laughing stock for the worldwide media but we deserve it until we win a QF in a World Cup.

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239053#Comment_121239053

Were you watching the game? Our scrum and lineout were a shambles from start to finish.

cson

Lol of all the reasons we lost that game, Sexton wasn't it. Some clowns in this thread who've never popped up before but I've no doubt they'd be polluting the ticket thread looking if we had got to a semi or final.

On the game: they played at 100% of their potential, we played at 90% and that's the difference. We weren't clinical enough in the periods vs 14 & we made some errors, the Doris knock on, at crucial times. A malfunctioning line out, yet again, was also another tick in the negative column. I'm heartened by the fact that for the first time in a long time an Irish team showed up in a QF and were within a kick at the business end. Make no mistake, NZ will know they were in a game.

We'll get there, no doubt. It's just going to take a little longer.

cson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239780#Comment_121239780

You lost me at hurling. 🤡

TRC10

Farrell should go. International coaches should be judged on World Cup performance, and a quarter final exit for this team is a colossal failure.

Mr Disco

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239913#Comment_121239913

Absolutely. No doubt he will get a free pass.

NIMAN

Thats sport for you.

Sometimes the best team has an off-day and loses. It happens in all sports.

ujjjjjjjjj

Look folks time for just a little bit of reality after a couple of single malts.

There is a small wafer between Ireland, NZ, SA and France. The others are way behind atm.

We squeaked past SA, got squeaked by NZ and even if we had beaten NZ we were going to have to squeak past France or SA again having dispatched Argentina.

Statistically to win 3 x 50:50 games is pretty tricky.....and the history is largely irrelevant, different time, different players etc. I don't buy the bottlers thing.

It was always going to be bloody tricky.

I think the best thing NZ did tonight was their short kicking game which caused no end of problems and was no doubt Uncle Joe so hats off to him.

But if we had sneaked it at the end we would all be lauding Farrell.

Margins are so so tiny at this level.

Thanks to all of the lads, it's been brilliant and we go again. That's it.

Clegg

TRC is just doing his usual.

Loves it when an Irish side loses.

conquestscarer

Look sure, atleast we aren't as obese, divorced, hairless, and depressed as Ewan Mackenna tonight. One positive of the game.

TRC10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239935#Comment_121239935

Nah some are just prepared to face reality and point out uncomfortable truths.

If you think I'm happy, you're very mistaken

conquestscarer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239940#Comment_121239940

Forgot to mention the alcohol dependency aswell! silly me.

TRC10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239920#Comment_121239920

And no team in sport has as many off days on the most important days as the Irish rugby team.

macraignil

Thought that the ref giving a penalty for Connor Murray using his arms as he moved to compete for a ball in the air near the end was very harsh. Allowed the New Zealand team to have a four point lead in the closing stages of the match and they knew just not conceding a try would give them the win. Always was going to be a tight game and a few more bits of luck going Ireland's way could have seen them win and face an Argentina team that did not look that much better than Wales in the other quarter final. Fine margins win games and New Zealand had a very good match in defending well and scored when they had opportunities. Would have liked to see Kilcoyne on sooner in the second half to help the scrum and Crowley to change the Irish attack a bit but hard to not just credit New Zealand with a good win and good luck to them.

conquestscarer

If you think Farrell should get sacked off the back of a 4 point loss to the all blacks you should probably get a lobotomy. Developed into arguably the best coach we have had. Didn't get a mickey mouse draw of Argentina in the world cup either.

TheCitizen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239343#Comment_121239343

And the scrum. Not sure what game the poster you quoted was watching?

Mr Disco

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239963#Comment_121239963

He should be judged on the World Cups. He was part of the 2019 coaching ticket for that debacle as well. The 6 nations is a joke. World cups are all that matters and he’s been woeful at two. His time is up

cson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239913#Comment_121239913

You're a ****-ing clown.

fonecrusher1

Simply cannot make the amount of mistakes we made in a RWC quarter final against NZ. We lacked execution. That held up ball cost us a rwc final (Arg in the semi??) In fairness the NZ defence was incredible.

The better team won.... only just. But they performed when it was needed. We mostly didnt.

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239948#Comment_121239948

I agree after tonight. How many chances do we need to win a quarter final? We are not destined to do it. I just don't know if we ever will do it? This defeat is hurting.

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239930#Comment_121239930

There is a small wafer between Ireland, NZ, SA and France. The others are way behind atm.

There really isn't

Only one of those teams has failed to get past a quarter final

TheCitizen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239361#Comment_121239361

It’s a sickener and rugby is not my favourite game but there was so much to admire about this team.

What has let them down is that they let the occasion get to them. They made line out errors v South Africa as well and got away with it on that occasion but still didn’t learn from that? Also the scrum where they wheeled it on the NZ put in and gave them 3 penalties? Totally unforced errors.

Sexton kept kicking for touch and we know why because he didn’t have the confidence in himself to take the 3 point opportunities unless they were easy central chances.

Theyre still a great team that has achieved so much winning the Grand Slam and a series in New Zealand.

Be interesting to see if they can build on it. Maybe Farrell will go to England and O’Gara can take them on to the next level at the next World Cup?

Clegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239980#Comment_121239980

Has been for a long time. Goes out of his way to crow about every loss Ireland or Leinster suffer. There's been so few in recent years that he needs to get his licks in when he can.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239913#Comment_121239913

Andy Farrell's greatest crime was keeping Sexton and Murray around after the last World Cup.

Conor Murray was past his best in 2019 and yet he was sent on this evening. No other nation with aspirations of winning a World Cup would have a 38 year old as their starting fly-half. We need to be far more cutthroat when it comes to thanking players for their service.

This time around Farrell needs a thorough clear out - if they won't be around Down Under in 2027 you shake their hand and thank them for their service.

The build for Australia 2027 starts now and if that means foregoing a few Six Nations or Grand Slams, so be it.

cson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239989#Comment_121239989

At this tournament there is. History yeah.

TRC10

O'Connell should be out on his ear too. The lineout has been an absolute shambles all World Cup