Hamas strike on Israel

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123417443#Comment_123417443

the evidence says mostly civilians have been killed with only a small amount of hamas millitants, so therefore based on the information from all of the credible sources that has been provided, i am ultimately not wrong.

genocidal racist apartheid israel deliberately target civilians as a matter of course.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123417956#Comment_123417956

Survival from who or what? They have an absolutely huge military, have nuclear weapons and have a strategic military ally in America.

The Arab nations realised 50 years ago it would be militarily impossible to defeat them or to cause Israel to cease to exist.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123417956#Comment_123417956

Yep. So under threat they're building civillian housing in the occupied territories and giving tours of areas just annexed

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/11/israeli-military-organises-tourist-tours-of-newly-occupied-syrian-territory

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123417650#Comment_123417650

Off topic but you can blame the Japanese for Hiroshima and definitely Nagasaki. They refused to surrender so Hiroshima was hit. Still refused to surrender so Nagasaki got bombed. Those bombings actually saved lives.

Tazz T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418305#Comment_123418305

Seriously.

So the same country that wiped out its indigenous population, fought a civil war over slavery, and slaughtered millions in countless wars across the middle east were right to drop nukes on two cities in Japan to save lives?

The same country that flattened every single building in North Korea and was on the verge on dropping 24 nukes on China because they were losing that war?

The same country that is going to bomb iran in the coming weeks and create a nuclear disaster in the middle east because Iran 'can't have a bomb', yet it's genocidal ethnic cleansing neighbour currently invading three countries can.

Yeah, right.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123417956#Comment_123417956

How is starving millions of people - and nobody doing, from what I can see, a single thing about it, fighting for survival??

The Palestinians are actually fighting for survival in the face of a manufactured famine. Spare a thought for them no?

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123416917#Comment_123416917

Hamas are being targeted and punished

All food and aid is being blockaded to Gaza. Does doing this target...

A) Hamas

Or

B) Everyone in Gaza?

...in your opinion?

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418463#Comment_123418463

Yes seriously. Forcing Japan to surrender saved lives. A ground invasion of Japan would have resulted in over a million dead. I'm not trying to justify every act the US has done in its history, just pointing out that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified IMO.

Also you do know that North Korea started that war by invading the South. And if the US had nuked China, Korea would probably be one nation.

Tazz T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418540#Comment_123418540

No Nagasaki and Hiroshima were not justified, IMO. You even suggesting that is hate speech. But I'm not surprised given your earlier comments.

North Korea is now nuclear and untouchable as a result of US action. And when Palestine has been ethnically cleansed, wherever they go will be the next nuclear power. That's what happens when supremacist nations occupy and destroy others.

I'll say bye to you now since you support this.

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418606#Comment_123418606

Hate speech?!? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418540#Comment_123418540

Using your analogy, Churchill and the British government were responsible for the 70,000 civilians who died in the Blitz and not the Germans, correct?

Keep in mind that Britain declared war on Germany and not the other way around

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418654#Comment_123418654

Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Germany and Russia started the war when they invaded Poland. The UK, France etc declared war because their ally was attacked.

Odhinn

Meanwhile, back on topic -

"Israeli airstrikes have killed at least 40 people across Gaza during the past 24 hours, civil defence officials in the devastated Palestinian territory said, as Israel’s government prepared to order an expansion of its military offensive.

Nine people were killed when a strike hit a home in the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza; another six people died in a separate strike targeting a family home in the northern city of Beit Lahiya; six more died in a strike on a community kitchen in Gaza City, and an overnight attack on the Khan Younis refugee camp killed at least 11 people including three babies up to a year old, the officials said."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/03/israeli-airstrikes-gaza-death-toll-bureij-beit-lahiya-khan-younis

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418067#Comment_123418067

Actually, the Israeli military makes an effort to avoid civilian casualties. Not always successful because Hamas uses Gaza's civilians as human shields by operating within densely populated areas, humanitarian zones, schools and hospitals.

According to Reuters, the Palestinian Health Ministry figures do not differentiate between civilians and Hamas combatants, who do not wear formal uniform or carry separate identification.

Israel periodically estimates the number of Hamas fighters killed. A few months ago assessments put the number of Palestinian militant dead at 20,000. It says about one civilian was killed for every fighter, a ratio it blames on Hamas for using civilian facilities. Israeli officials say such estimates are reached through a combination of counting bodies on the battlefield, intercepts of Hamas communications and intelligence assessments of personnel in targets that were destroyed.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418795#Comment_123418795

Jaysus you are so blindfolded, naive and gullible. How can you believe the IDF anymore? The war is over. It has been over for many many months. Hamas were well and truly beaten long long ago. Gaza is completely ruined. What possible military objectives are left??

"The civil defence later said 10 more people were killed in a strike on a tent also in Al-Mawasi, among them a child and seven women."

Are you suggesting the other 2 were Hamas and this was a legitimate strike against to gain a military objective?? How is bombing refugee camps a legitimate war aim?

Do you accept that denying medical supplies and food/water is a breach of International Humanitarian Law? Yes or No.

I asked a few questions in my previous response to you. Please don't hide from them. They are important points.

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418802#Comment_123418802

I think it is you who is naive and gullible. How many Hamas fighters do you think were / are in Gaza? If Hamas are well and truly beaten, as you say, why do they not release the remaining hostages? If Hamas are well and truly beaten, as you say, then most of the casualties in the war were Hamas terrorists and not civilians?

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418795#Comment_123418795

all available evidence shows the israely military does nothing to avoid civilian casualties.
it also shows that the IDF use civilians as human shields including children.
it also shows that while hamas on occassions have used civilians as human shields, it has never been successful given israel deliberately target civilians.
the palestinian health ministry's figures have been generally accepted to be reliable by all reputable organisations, and even the countries enabling and supporting their genocide recognise the figures as reliable.
israel generally lie about everything, and their claims are always discredited by evidence, so their claims and figures are untrue.
therefore once again the hasbara propaganda has no credibility and is therefore misinformation.

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418795#Comment_123418795

Actually, the Israeli military makes an effort to avoid civilian casualties. 

Do you really believe this?

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418540#Comment_123418540

Dropping the bomb didn't save any lives at all. Operation downfall was a non-starter and remained a paper operation only. It was never going to happen. Japan would have surrendered long before any US service man set foot on the home islands. At best they had until November before the blockade had starved them into submission and Suzuki's government were already looking for a way out long before the first bomb fell. The only ones standing in the way of issuing a surrender was the Army and Navy minister, who's only condition was that the Emperor wasn't to be harmed in any way. It was Hirohito, himself, that had ordered Suzuki to manoeuvre his cabinet to surrender.

As it turned out the Allies had no designs on Hirohito at all and could have communicated that to the Japanese. They knew through decrypts that the Japanese government were looking to surrender, but with some element of face saving. However, the US was determined by the summer of 45 to test their bombs on virgin cities because they wanted the data for possible uses in wars to come. That's why cities like Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen and not Tokyo. The former hadn't been bombed before to any degree and the latter was totally destroyed already.

The reality of the matter is Japan was finished and they saw the writing on the wall since the bombing of Tokyo in March. The US had her completely surrounded and nothing was getting in or out without interception. They were also reading all of their radio traffic and had complete control of the air. Japan simply wouldn't have been able to carry on, even if the Allies did nothing. It was eventually concluded that "Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418795#Comment_123418795

Again I'll ask - so why are they starving everybody??

What you are saying makes no sense

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418963#Comment_123418963

But there's plenty of food in Gaza according to Israel. So no, they're not starving the Gazans.

They wouldn't lie, would they? No Sir…

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/0505/1511120-israel-gaza/

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123418819#Comment_123418819

Before I address even more silly statements (that last line was beyond daft), can you answer the 4/5 questions I asked in my previous two posts so that we can make progress in understanding your thought process and knowledge. The military objectives point/question is important. Please don't hide from them. You might reply again to the 2 original posts. And do you mind me asking one more - how old are you?

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123419039#Comment_123419039

I have answered all of your questions, afaik. You said "The IDF could easily drive in and take over the tent". I replied " My God, you haven't a clue. You never heard of Muslim suicide bombs, IUDs, all sorts of traps etc."

Hamas are not totally beaten yet. They still hold a lot of hostages. They still fire missiles in to Israel givern the opportunity : how did they ever get those missiles: they were smuggled in to Gaza in convoys, that is how. How did they build such a labyrinth of tunnels to attack Israel over the decades? They used concrete etc meant to build other infrastructure in Gaza.

If the IDF deliberately targeted civilians, the death toll would be 30 times higher. Considering that Hamas hide behind human shields and do not wear uniforms, the IDF has done remarkably well to kill 20,000 or 22,000 Hamas with relatively few civilian casulties. Of course nobody wants civilian casualties. Tell that to the people killed in the Blitz in the UK, in Dresden, in Hiroshima etc. Casualties in Gaza are many times less. If Hamas did not continually attack Israel there would have been no war. I am not saying Israel is completely clean, far from it. But there are 2 sides to the story. It is not black and white as that Racist band Kneecap would have you believe. The day after the music festival attack Kneecap were praising the attack. Israel has tried to be nice, sending aid, water electricity in to Gaza before that attack. Now it says, you kill one of us, we will kill more of you. What else can they do because Hamas want all Israelis to suffer the same fate as those at the music festival.

TheValeyard

The next stage of Operation Genocide has been approved

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-approves-plan-to-seize-all-of-gaza-and-hold-it-indefinitely-officials-say-13362138

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123419134#Comment_123419134

Ok I didn't read most of that because I knew there were little or no proven facts in it. Just talk. And some more moving goalposts (e.g bands and music festivals i have zero knowledge of) just to muddy the water some more and avoid the questions.

I went back to my 2 posts where you didn't answer any questions. Here they are listed (go back to those posts for the context). You're welcome. How did you miss them?

1. When is the last time Israeli army sustained a casualty?
2. What are the military targets in refugee camps?
3. How can you believe the IDF anymore? 
4. Gaza is completely ruined - What possible military objectives are left??
5. "The civil defence later said 10 more people were killed in a strike on a tent also in Al-Mawasi, among them a child and seven women." - Are you suggesting the other 2 were Hamas and this was a legitimate strike against to gain a military objective?
6. How is bombing refugee camps a legitimate war aim?
7. Do you accept that denying medical supplies and food/water is a breach of International Humanitarian Law?

That's them all. Let's start with those. Please try and stick to this scope for now. Take your time, I am going for a long walk.

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123419152#Comment_123419152

You say you did not read most of that. If you read it and read my other replies you would see I have already answered all your questions.

You seem to know remarkably little about the middle east. I referenced the Oct 7th attack on the music festival and the surrounding area, an attack that killed 1200 Israelis, kidnapped 250, burnt people alive etc and which ignited the current conflict - and you never heard of it. I referenced Kneecap, arguably the most Racist band ever in the world ( the said up Hamas, they call for the murder of elected politicians in another peaceful country here in western Europe etc )…but you zero knowledge of Kneecap, despite them being all over the news in these islands for the past week.

If you were more aware of the situation in Gaza, you would know that Hamas still hold a lot of hostage and until they are released Israel is stopping aid getting in to Gaza. Tell Hamas to release the hostages and aid will get in. Hitler tried blocking all food and aid in to Britain from America during the war. That actually was the longest battle of WW2.

If the people of Gaza rise up and get rid of Hamas then things may change, but Hamas murders ordinary people it opposes, be they political opponents, jews, gays, whatever.

I do have sympathy for the ordinary people in Gaza. Nobody wants them, not even the neighbouring Muslim countries of Egypt and Jordan.

I do not have sympathy for the huge crowds there who cheered when the heads of Israelis were paraded back on pick up trucks after the music festival attack in to Israel.

I do not have sympathy for the huge crowds in Gaza who took to the streets and cheered after the 9/11 twin tower attacks.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123419208#Comment_123419208

Hitler tried blocking all food and aid in to Britain from America during the war

..so Israel using nazi tactics?

You are all over the place.

Your position is a story. It is a narrative. It isn't backed up by facts, or by what we see happening. It isn't backed up by Israeli politicians routinely calling for genocide in Gaza, or by the current blockade of food and aid, bombing schools and hospitals

Those kneecap lads may be racist....I know absolutely nothing about them, but I'd expect you and your crowd would give them a run for their money in the prejudice stakes.

Israel has inflicted 100x the amount of death, misery, subjugation, violence, thievery, and dehumanisation of Palestinians than they have ever inflicted on Israel. This is evident for anybody who can read and has a bit of wherewithal to look into the recent history of the area.

You ignore the plight of the Palestinians, and highlight transgressions against Israel as though they are the only thing that has happened, when, as pointed out, they have inflicted multiples more misery than they have received from Palestinians. I have no idea why - and can only surmise it is hatred of Palestinians or Muslims, or a complete disregard for them. That is as bad as anything that kneecap crowd have said I'd wager. Tell me if there is a other reason for defending this?

You say Israel don't target civilians, yet ignore that they are keeping food out of Gaza and starving anybody inside. That absolutely evil, is it not?

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123419208#Comment_123419208

I'm genuinely curious. How do you mentally justify killing children?

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123419134#Comment_123419134

I know this was directed at another post (by a poster who is in fact very knowledgeable about the region and the current campaign of Genocide by Israel) but since facts are important, I'd like to correct some of your assertions:

1. I understand that Hamas make their own "rockets". A lot of them fail utterly. Those that don't have no guidance systems and always fall in no man's land. Given that Israel checks all aid entering Gaza, there's no way military hardware gets through (of course, all aid was ceased at the beginning of March).
2. Israel built many of the tunnels in Gaza. But you are correct that building materials destined for civilian works was undoubtedly used for military based projects.
3. The current numbers of known dead is just shy of 53,000. At a 70% ratio of women and children to men, that is approx 16,000 dead men and approximately 37,000 dead women and children. Assuming all women and children are civilians, the majority of those killed are in fact civilians. That is not "relatively few".
4. One study in the Lancet last year put the death toll at 190,000 to include all deaths - those vapourised by 2000lb bombs, those shredded into non recognisable flesh and bone, those dead from disease, starvation and hypothermia. That was last year. Presumably given the worsening situation since then, that number could be a lot higher - quarter of a million would not be a stretch.

So, you believe "Israel has tried to be nice" and you believe Hamas has the means to kill all Israelis.

I find that level of delusion in the face of corroborated facts to be astonishing. And the repeat of such falsehoods is equally disgusting when trying to justify the murders of women and children and the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

sock.rocker*

AFP provides some more detail on Israel’s plans to intensify its operations in Gaza, with the official saying Israel was planning the “conquest” of the territory.

The Israeli official said the plan for expanded operations “will include, among other things, the conquest of the Gaza Strip and the holding of the territories, moving the Gaza population south for their protection”.

The majority of Gaza’s population had resided in the north of the territory, particularly Gaza City, and nearly all have been displaced at least once since the war began.

The cabinet, which includes prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and several ministers, “unanimously approved” the plan aimed at defeating Gaza’s rulers Hamas and securing the return of hostages held in the territory.

The official source said the plan included “powerful strikes against Hamas”, without specifying their nature.

The Final Solution for the Gaza Question. Take over the entire territory, box them into a concentration camp, and bomb that camp indiscriminately over the coming years and decades claiming you are targetting Hamas. It will be the new Gaza, except far smaller and completely devoid of any pretence of people living a normal life.

This is what was done to Jews by the Nazis.