Dispatches channel 4 expose **Read Opening Post before posting**

PaoloGotti

Are we just going to follow the American way of life of categorising everything and everybody as either Left or Right wing?!

I don’t get how it is relevant to the serious allegations of sexual assault or rape.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127530#Comment_121127530

 helping them make money.

He is still making them money.

https://twitter.com/louisa_compton/status/1703752355370393624?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127657#Comment_121127657

Because his fans are claiming it's a conspiracy against him due to his political views. And these are largely people from the right. Multiple posters in the thread claiming it. Plus he's claiming it, basically pulling an Andrew Tate.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127657#Comment_121127657

The left v right angle would seem to be the one that has people here worked up the most.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127670#Comment_121127670

Also several left/liberal posters here are trying to make political hay from Brand's misdeeds by saying that his behaviour is implicit in his 'right-wing conspiracism views'.

nachouser

https://twitter.com/rustyrockets/status/1702810015176794318?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1702810015176794318%7Ctwgr%5E8e874f978d741dc7b84fa54119f0a2f60d85e8ea%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fdiscussion%2F2058313967%2Fdispatches-channel-4-expose-read-opening-post-before-posting

Just to refresh - again - what he has claimed.

The Daily Mail and the Mirror and pretty much every other paper is carrying it. It's not a right-wing thing.

It's about someone who, you know, posted this on Twitter knowing they'd sexually assaulted a 16 year old girl when they were 31 years old.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127670#Comment_121127670

We had another wingnut on the left saying Brand was being paid by Russia to destabilise liberal democracy, plenty of people thanked those posts.

There's daft behaviour on either side of we're being honest.

If these allegations are substantiated Brand deserves punishment and his victims deserve empathy, what is completely irrelevant is his YouTube personna, which having watched his supposed conspiracy content, is the most "on the fence" attempt at being a conspiracy theorist I think I've ever seen.

Water John

Couldn't give a flying toss about who is or from what side are defending RB. This is firstly about any victims and righting any wrong to them.

Goldengirl

Katherine Ryan on Who do you think you are now!

Well done, Katie 👍

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127657#Comment_121127657

Without picking a right or left it is clear that many of the defenders of Brand in terms of social media influencers were "fellow travellers" with him and this association seems to be driving that defence.

And we see that also reflected in followers of those influencers.

Whereas those who find these accusations against Brand credible cite either his observed past conduct or the credibility of the media outlets involved.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127691#Comment_121127691

Nah, hes just a lad lad pvllock who is massively disliked.

Never could look at him after the Ross /Sachs carryon.

He comes across as a very cruel person, never sincere.

growleaves

I think its a mistake to have any loyalty to celebrities anyway.

Especially when you get older and have more life experiences and perspective.

Like for instance I had to deal with problems in life, and I've seen some weird things. I'm sure many posters here must have.

So why do I need Alex Jones or somebody else to "lead" me? I can lead myself obviously.

Then when these celebs turn out to be disappointments or sleazy you have invested in them and might feel the need to defend them. But why defend a stranger? You don't know them or what they've done. You've just seen them on a screen.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127657#Comment_121127657

That's what those who defend him are doing though. Their outlook is "oh I like his views - he couldn't have done anything wrong". It's brainless stuff.

He was sort of a leftie, now he's popular with the right - I couldn't care less, I've always thought he was a dirtbird.

But among his critics I'm not seeing anyone correlate his behaviour with his views - just making mention of them when it comes to his stupid, flaky, hypocritical defenders. Cruel, spiteful people like Laurence Fox, Alex Jones, Julia Heartless Brewer. Shockingly callous people.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127691#Comment_121127691

Pretty much all of the main opinion formers in the right wing conspiracist world have come out to defend Brand. Musk, Carlson, Peterson, Alex Jones, Andrew Tate, nearly all of GB News, lots of prominent anti-vaxxers.

That clearly demonstrates that the right-wing conspiracist world openly defends rapists, they brush away the idea that Brand could be a rapist as as "conspiracy" without even reding the allegations. But sure we already knew that was the case long ago with Trump.

Can you name any prominent person on the liberal left who has come out to defend Brand?

Snooker Loopy

This is an interesting clip. I've noticed too that a lot of Russia propagandists are sex offenders or people that it's bleedin' obvious have serious skeletons in the closet. Brand definitely fits that pattern. And it definitely seems to me that the Kremlin's trolls are on overdrive trying to defend him. Why would that be, I wonder?

https://twitter.com/Heidi_Cuda/status/1612876356177768449

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127865#Comment_121127865

I've been openly critical of most those people you've listed except T. Carlson, though he is reaching here in haste. They would be better off saying nothing.

They are walking themselves into a trap in fact since they may be taking on a piece of the blame that is due to Brand if he's guilty.

Sam Leith (Spectator columnist) has said defences of Tate and Brand are instances of 'naive cynicism', which I think is a good phrase to describe it.

Brand does still have a right to defend himself though - however unlikely his innocence may seem.

Also as I said upthread not all leftists are on the liberal left, Marx wasn't and G. Galloway isn't. Maybe some of these defenders are personal friends of Brand which might at least make it explicable for them to stick up for him, if still unwise imo.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127923#Comment_121127923

I don't think anyone who has a conversation with Jim Stewartson should be taken seriously. Also this type of tribalism isn't healthy, once you start trying to imply that your team is immune from any wrong doing you're on the wrong path. No one is beyond this kind of stuff.

Two of my pet hates are new agey types and conspiracy theorists, so I always found Brand's new age schtick irritating.

Snooker Loopy

This is pretty gross. Brand says "I raped someone once" and then jokes about picking up schoolgirls as a 26 year old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljFGVjbge_A

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127924#Comment_121127924

No-one is denying Brands right to defend himself- I’m more than happy to listen to his side of the story.

However, if you’re in the public eye, when it comes to matters such as this, I do believe that you’re subject to greater scrutiny and by the nature of your public role, you will likely be named when evidence comes to light.

It may not sound fair but considering his behaviour over the last 2 decades, I don’t really have any pity on him - he has enough money if he chooses to take some sort of civil action against the media outlets that broke this story- but somehow I don’t think that’s where his mind is right now.

The producers of the show have weighed up the consequences - it’s a game of chess and risk. Given todays news, it’s highly possible this will progress to a formal criminal enquiry.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127996#Comment_121127996

That's pretty much it : he's a public figure in the public eye and relies on public acclaim for his fame and vast wealth. It can definitely be argued that it is in the public interest for people to know if he has a dark / sinister side.

Beta Ray Bill

I'm in two minds about the show.

Part of me cares, the other part be feels "In other news, water is wet" (we've all known he's been a creep for years)

Having watched it this evening on 4 Player, It's obvious that he did some awful stuff. It will never see court though as it going to be near impossible to prove. BBC and C4 missing documentation/complaints that should have been made, and also the documentary will have added bias to any Jury and he'd argue he'd never get a fair trial. He's a Scumbag and a knobend, always has been, right from the get go. Full of his own sh!t and an ego the size of the Sun.

5 women complained. It's alleged he slept with thousands of women, 5 day at one point, most of whom he probably used. This bugs the sh!t out of me. Like every tom, dick and harry knew about his antics (Social Media and what not) It's not like a Savill days. So how the hell did he get away with so many? Like if I was a woman, and was told He'd be on a production I'd be on I'd either leave, have a camera on at all times or make sure I was never alone. (I'd probably leave cuase f**k that sh!t)

Part of me thinks there are a lot of women out there that, unbeknownst to them, are completely vulnerable to a man like him (very good looking narcissistic head case). I remember it well from my youth, the amount of girls that went out with good looking lads that treated them like absolute sh!t was unbelievable. I never got a look in with the opposite sex when I was a young lad, which was frustrating given how as an outside observer, I perceived the bar to be extremely low. (which meant I must have been below that).

I'll be told now: It's up to men to call out the bad behaviour of other men.

Problem is I've been calling it out/warning women for 25 years and none of them listened... it's always been bad boy after bad boy after bad boy, it's beyond my understanding.

Cienciano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121120955#Comment_121120955

He's been quite on social media since Russell's damage limitation video

lizzyjane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121126793#Comment_121126793

Get off your high horse. These are all allegations and nothing has been proven as fact, until then you need to be careful condemning people as guilty before it's been proving in a court of law.

silliussoddius

This is a nice selection of videos from his Channel. Question, everything!!! Except Russel, of course.

https://www.youtube.com/@RussellBrand/videos

supermans ghost

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127657#Comment_121127657

Well said Paolo, I had scroll through the thread earlier and sure enough there were the usual suspects trying to make it about political idealogy and one even tried to bring race into it, and was promptly put in his place.

I don’t like Brand or his style of comedy, the sachsgate incident back in 2008 when both he and Jonathan Ross left vile messages on Andrew Sachs answering machine about having sex with his granddaughter was unbelievably crass. The issue of trial by media of celebrities is something that is not new and there have been occasions when the media have got it wrong like in the Cliff Richard case, given that these are historical cases with little or no evidence, it will come down to a ‘he said, she said” assuming it goes to a trial.

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128152#Comment_121128152

The views on these nonsense videos are amazing. It must be the wide eyes that hypnotize his subscribers! 😅

nachouser

Honestly, any discussion of why people might have a negative opinion about Brand - and not right or left or whatever - should come down to whether or not you're OK with someone 31 years of age forcing their cock down the throat of a 16 year old girl.

Like, ffs lads.

irishproduce

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121125232#Comment_121125232

It's also contributed to by the droves of young women who want to be famous. This leads to a dangerous power dynamic.

You could see reference to it in the doc when one of the runners said she really wanted to work in media and so was afraid to say anything about him as to what she was witnessing.

Media = be famous

Shelga

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128146#Comment_121128146

Can you answer my question about how a sixteen year old girl having a penis shoved in her mouth against her will is a member of the establishment? Or do you think she is lying? And the woman alleging rape in 2012 is lying? And the other one, and the other one, and the other one, and the one from 2003?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128242#Comment_121128242

It's probable that it's true. Likely I'd say. Proving it is the next thing, but the ball is rolling.