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fplfan12345

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121125004#Comment_121125004

And look how different the treatment of Cristiano Ronaldo was to Mason Greenwood. Two players at the same club accused of the same thing.

One was cheered like a hero and the other was sent on loan.

Cienciano

His defence that it's plot against him by the mainstream media to keep him quite is so ridiculous. He knows he'll have a large number of supporters stupid enough to believe it.

dickdasr1234

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128083#Comment_121128083

"Part of me thinks there are a lot of women out there that, unbeknownst to them, are completely vulnerable to a man like him."

Do you think it is also possible that there are lots of women out there who just want to be shagged by a famous guy?

'Groupies', they used to call them.

I remember attending snooker tournaments and watching a bevy of beauties queueing up to gift themselves to some proper low-lifes who were 'on the telly'.

I had a friend years ago who was a bit of a local radio star. He and his buddy did a lot of DJ and pub quiz work. Any night they were working, the last ten minutes would see a half dozen young wans virtually present themselves on a plate.

You've a lot to learn about women if you think these girls are being taken advantage of.

No accusation of underage sex (that I'm aware of) so can't see a legal issue for Brand unless the rape charge holds some water (which I doubt it will).

Sure, he's a walking dick but he wouldn't be on his own there.

wandererz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128422#Comment_121128422

The key aspect is multiple counts against "consent".

Do you not get that?

He has come out and said that he had consentual "relationships" .

Yet that does not preclude individual acts when a person says no.

Do I have to say it??

No, means...

Mr.Wemmick

Asking for it? Handing themselves up on a plate? Okay so let’s get dolled up, it’s Friday night and I could do with a bit of rape, humiliation, physical pain and good sprinkling of trauma.. woohoo, what time do I need to be there?

Is it stupidity that confuses rape with fun, sex with abuse? I don’t quite understand how people get those mixed up. It must be either stupidity or sick trolling cos nothing else makes much sense.

TinyMuffin

Heard he used to pick out women from the audience whilst onstage to come back to his room. I thought at the time that’ll end well. Katy Perry let me down by marrying him. Never forgave her. #heartbroken.

Oscar_Madison

Apparently YouTube have now stopped him earning money from his videos, reportedly worth a cool 1 million pounds per year.

I wonder how his wife is feeling right now considering she’s expecting their child- can’t be easy

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121125272#Comment_121125272

Mason greenwood is a seriously poor comparison. He wasnt accused of multiple counts of rape.

He is now living with that girl and they have a child. Also he was 18 or 19.

Musicrules

These types of threads always attract the incels. If they're willing to post some of the stuff you read here when they're trying to come across as normal, just think what is really going on in their heads.

Shelga

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128614#Comment_121128614

*You’re.

*Whose.

Can you explain why the woman he allegedly raped in 2012 went to a rape crisis centre the next day? Why Brand apologised for his behaviour in a text?

I haven’t “found him guilty”. I’m not a judge. I simply believe the extremely credible accounts of multiple women, because it’s highly highly likely that he did exactly what they say he did.

aaronder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121126406#Comment_121126406

At the end, doubt you made it all the way..

Macy0161

Does it need to be said that there's a different burden of proof for criminal conviction to what I (or anyone else) may take from the evidence presented? He has recourse in the civil courts if he believes he has been defamed.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128655#Comment_121128655

Criminal and Civil courts would also have different levels of "proof" too.

But this is public court there is no set threshold or defined parameters.

You have the usual 2 loud extremes, one shouting he is the incarnate of Jimmy Saville and other roaring big pharma are trying to kill him.

They will get bored they always do and move on to the next internet battle.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128422#Comment_121128422

There's a difference between men and women in this regard.

Adult women will continue to be absolutely blown away by a man who is famous to the point where they can act like teenage girls ("I'd let him do x, y and z, blah blah blah") the problem is that it's almost a competitive thing with women; who can land the famous man?

I can imagine there's been a lot of women who've slept with famous men over the years only to realise that despite being famous those men are just human beings who've taken advantage of that dynamic between women and men who are perceived as being desirable and have regretted it if not immediately, then after some reflection.

This doesn't excuse the actions of men in positions of power or influence who exploit that dynamic but as a man who like most other men has spent my life watching women throw themselves at sleezy dirt bags because of competition with other women, part of me wonders will people ever learn what seems to be a pretty obvious lesson?

And no this isn't an attempt to blame women for the actions of sleezy men, it's just an observation that the dynamics around these situations are well understood but they continue to be played out regardless.

Even if Russel Brand goes to court and is found beyond reasonable doubt to be innocent of these allegations, he knew that he was able to use his celebrity as a means to take advantage of women's desire to be with a man in his position in society and knowingly acted like a swine in doing so.

BrianD3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128422#Comment_121128422

This is something that biology deniers and white knights either don't understand or if they do understand it, they'll howl at the moon about it. Women lose their sh*t around bigshot men and bigshottery is a spectrum from local DJs and snooker players to Hollywood stars. Brand would be much closer to the latter than the former - famous, very good looking, tall, a badboy and as he said himself, a "slag". A perfect storm for riding all around him, also a self perpetuating process as the more women he fcuks, the more women want him.

Who makes these men what they are? Society, women and other men consuming their work and hero worshipping them in the case of sportstars.

I was talking to a woman yesterday who regularly expresses feminist type views re: the patriarchy, gender pay gap etc. She said she had encountered Brand in person a few years ago and admitted that if he had made a move on her, she would have lost her sh*t. Also quoted Louise O'Neill "the vagina wants what the vagina wants"

I don't know if Brand raped anyone, he may have but its not controversial in the slightest to say that the vast, vast majority of his many sexual encounters will have been consensual and that for every women he has fcuked, he could have had hundreds more - but there's only so much riding that a man can do.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128786#Comment_121128786

And I wouldn't say a woman going to a rape crisis clinic the day after as somebody just regretting it after the fact. Also the messages to Brand also explicitly state they said no at the time....

And yep, it seems pretty clear you're trying to rewrite this as women regretting it after the fact....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128232#Comment_121128232

Like Brand! And his supporter George Galloway.

Snake Plisken

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128786#Comment_121128786

It's strange he wasn't outed back when #MeToo was going on with other celebs being accused, you would have thought victims would have come forward at that time.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128935#Comment_121128935

It's pretty clear you're trying to misrepresent what I'm saying.

Try being honest for a change.

ancapailldorcha

Leave it to Sean Lock:

https://twitter.com/dannylax80/status/1703780799416287528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1703780799416287528%7Ctwgr%5E777062bb6fd3c0599e66bfb808db82120e625627%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thepoke.com%2F2023%2F09%2F19%2Fsean-lock-on-russell-brand-has-gone-wildly-viral-for-reasons-which-will-be-obvious%2F

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128422#Comment_121128422

bevvy of beauties …

Did they have their “assets”

on display 😂😂

Reads like someone who wrote the commentary under Page 3 in the 80’s.

I dint think you should be telling people they have a lot ti learn about women writing archaic nonsense like that.

Cienciano

I think people are confusing someone using their celebrity status to have sex with "groupies", and holding someone down and forcing themselves inside her as she says struggles and says no. A 16 year old too when he was in his 30s?

OK, you can say that it may be untrue, because it's possible. But some people are actually defending the action because they were "groupies", therefore it's somehow ok? Christ, I genuinely thought we have moved on a bit from that attitude as a society.

lizzyjane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128624#Comment_121128624

"Allegedly" is the key word.

If you believe the women accusing him then you have in fact found him guilty?

Strazdas

I think some people are missing the point that the 'court of public opinion' is a very powerful one in the case of famous celebrities. Saying that all of this should solely rest on the outcome of a court case is very naïve. Brand's very fame, wealth and popularity is entirely dependent on the public. If the public decide he is a horrible individual and a sexual predator, then he is pretty much finished in public life - the outcome of police investigations and court cases is almost irrelevant in all this.

Oscar_Madison

I wonder if Brand will heed the legal advice he’s likely getting right now- it must be tempting for him to indulge in his audience of half wits to gain some “support” and rattle on about 3rd world orders or whatever rubbish jumps into his head.

He has a pregnant partner also that will need his support, assuming they remain together which is not at all certain.

I think he’ll remain quite silent for the forceable future and see how this plays out.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128786#Comment_121128786

You do have a point about groupies and an enabling culture, but some of these groupies can change their mind and have the right to. With this in mind I would imagine there are plenty of young female fans of boys group who might fantasise about being with one of the members, but would not in reality be comfortable if the fantasy ever became real. When some women in videos with him are showing discomfort regarding his attention towards them he openly mocks them. This does not prove he is guilty of the allegations made against him, but does indicate he is a rather odious individual, who likely views women as objects there to satisfy him.

Shelga

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128898#Comment_121128898

Rapist doesn’t rape every woman he sleeps with shocker. Jimmy Savile, Ian Watkins, Bill Cosby, Rolf Harris and countless others had plenty of consensual sex in their lives. What’s your point?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121129156#Comment_121129156

I saw someone (who knows Brand in person) saying on Twitter yesterday that much younger women are easy to manipulate and intimidate, especially for a famous celebrity like Brand. It's easy to see why they might make bad decisions when young but then realise when they are older and more mature that they had been exploited by an older predator type.

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128613#Comment_121128613

you would hope you would not encounter too many in day to day life ....

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121129144#Comment_121129144

Indeed. And I don’t use the terms “guilty” “not guilty” either- like any article, I evaluate what I read and decide myself what I believe to be the truth- and I do that in less time it’s taken me to type this reply- I’ve decided he’s “a horrible individual” but I did that years before these stories- so these stories are only confirming what I’ve previously believed - whether he’s found “guilty” or “not guilty” in a court of law frankly doesn’t /won’t impact or change my view of him either way- rape allegations are notoriously difficult to prove where consensual sex has happened previously-and the US justice system can be a lot more challenging than the UK justice system in terms of achieving a prosecution, especially when prosecuting someone in the public eye. as an aside I do wonder if charges are brought, which jurisdiction will be first to do so as there are allegations on both sides of the water. I’m

I don’t need to wait for a trial to decide what I like and don’t like, what I believe and don’t believe.

It’s not complicated really.