Euthanasia, your views

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124162#Comment_121124162

It's not that difficult to understand. Trying to successfully treat a cancer patient is not causing them to suffer. They can refuse treatment if they want. The wife of a friend of mine was recently given the all clear and she wouldn't be 40 yet. If it had been 100 years ago she probably would have died.

Dogs and cats etc can indeed be treated for different types of ailments and diseases such as cancers. However we decide not to treat them due to the expense. Given that we decide not to spend the money, we then put them out of their misery as an alternative.

You are free to advocate for the same money-saving strategy on people if you want. I would not agree with you.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121121094#Comment_121121094

But we are not spending it on rehabilitation.

It’s not a straw man argument, so you can give that disingenuous argument of yours a break.

I know one doctor, a consultant in rehabilitation medicine… Dr Raymond Carson..in a letter in the Irish Medical Times….co-signed by 13 of his peers at the Irish Association of Rehabilitation Medicine…..

“There are currently insufficient resources in terms of beds and facilities for those requiring access to specialist rehabilitation services for current demand, never mind the additional demand that this pandemic will cause.”

so add euthanasia services to the mix…..add the thousands of people arriving here to the mix…. But we should be investing in euthanasia before health ? Not in my opinion.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124118#Comment_121124118

You think that's perverted?

Taylor Swift has me on her bucket list!!!!

Tork

This isn't just about money. For what it's worth, we put down our much loved dog because he went blind and started getting lost in the house. He was an old dog and was already deaf and getting incontinent. So instead of having to continually retrieve the poor confused thing from the corners of rooms, we had him put to sleep. It was the kindest thing for him and money was not the reason for it. What was the point in keeping an old, blind, deaf dog alive?

Similarly, we need to talk in a realistic manner about euthanasia. I absolutely agree that we should have better treatment and facilities for people who need them. But there comes a time when no medicine and no beds and no medics and no therapies can relieve the plight of some people. We ARE keeping people unnecessarily alive (which is another side argument) when by rights they should be dead. And there ARE people who are existing with physical pain and terrible disabilities who will never be cured. Don't cod yourself into thinking that palliative care is the solution to everything and that people have Hollywood deaths. They don't. This isn't about bumping off granny so that you can avoid Fair Deal. It's far more serious than this. Again I ask, how many of you anti euthanasia people have any personal experience of watching a loved one live and die horribly?

screamer

Well I was visiting someone in hospital today and there was an elderly patient there in final life stages (as in a few days left) in a multi bed room, crying to just be left alone, distressed and tired of being poked and prodded, no dignity, no privacy, and their family there all day in and out watching that and very upset. I’m even more convinced that people need to be given a right to make a choice when they are in their full faculties about how they want to go out. We’re actually cruel not to allow it.

dickdasr1234

I watched my mother live out her final years in a nursing home. It was a sad ending to an otherwise dignified hard-working life. She was begging God to take her before she ever went into the nursing home.

She could sense her mind dwindling and was bed-ridden for the final five years .

She was kept sweet with happy pills.

All I could think of was 'what a waste of resources'. €40k a year would keep an entire family going. She was kept alive, comfortable, and happy (drugged) so others could feel OK. She never wanted it.

She was prouder than that. To my mind, it was abuse!

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121103477#Comment_121103477

I have MND over 8 years, well past the life expectancy I was given. At the time my kids were babies and after considering everything I decided to "linger" for them.

Not everything is so black and white

Alexander Shulgin

I don't see any issue , abortion is now legal , at least you have a say , the child doesn't!

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124307#Comment_121124307

The next step is post-birth abortion: if a child is born with significant disabilities, putting it out of it's misery immediately, because it is the "humane" thing do.

I wish I was kidding.

Alexander Shulgin

The scandis, particularly Sweden announced they had "eradicated"down syndrome as though it were some kind of medical triumph, having worked with down syndrome kids & adults I find their views absolutely disgusting !

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124342#Comment_121124342

If you're not kidding, where has it happened? And we're not a dictatorship, so if your answer is North Korea or some place like that, it's not going to be very illuminating.

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124191#Comment_121124191

No. No you didn't.

Average 300 kmph?

Yep, that happened.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124782#Comment_121124782

Not that unbelievable given he likely flew in a straight line

The Nal

All for it. I've no interest lying in a bed being spoon fed lukewarm porridge for my last few years.

Pillow over the face when I get to that stage please. Ill sign whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124191#Comment_121124191

Is that WR?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124581#Comment_121124581

like most things they say this one’s entirely in their own imagination.

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121125215#Comment_121125215

Do 7 series fly now?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121125895#Comment_121125895

Ah here lad he’s obviously taken the piss

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121125895#Comment_121125895

They do when Dracula is behind the wheel

SuperBowserWorld

... edit ... just repeating myself ...

griffin100

In theory I can support euthanasia as everyone should have the right to decide their own course of action with some caveats. However I see what has happened in Canada and I get worried - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64004329

The article suggests people op for death as they can't afford housing, have a treatable mental illness or in some cases are guided towards it by case workers. Given that we struggle to do many things right in this country can we be trusted with a law like this?

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124193#Comment_121124193

It's not about money. If an animal is suffering with no prospect of recovery it is euthanised because that is the 'humane' thing to do.

If a human is suffering with no prospect of recovery that option is not open to them no matter how much they want it.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124342#Comment_121124342

Why do people feel the compulsion to post obvious and complete bullshit?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127881#Comment_121127881

It's not about money

Also

In the West we spend approx. 90% of healthcare expenditure on the last 10% of life

But regardless, you are deliberately trying to ignore the point. Would you pay 20k to treat a pet for cancer with say a 20% chance of success? The answer is most likely that no you wouldn't. You will opt to put the pet down instead.

If a horse breaks its leg, it will be shot. That's not because it would be cruel to allow it to mend and heal and live out the rest of its days munching leafy grass in luxury

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121103050#Comment_121103050

Do you not pay someone to wash you and wipe your arse as it is? Even back as far as the middle ages it was one of the most sought-after jobs! https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/groom-of-the-stool-bb96e0dfacba

I always get amazed to hear tales about how the poor live!

Ye peasants are fascinating.

Count Dracula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121125589#Comment_121125589

It is the Dart station to T1. It was actually dangerous.

The WR for Front Crawl from Portobello Bridge to the Barge is 4 mins 14 secs. It can only be challenged at 6am on a Sunday morning.

I drove to Galway in 65 mins from DCC once, True story, the Vamps were howling in fear, The sexual tension caused widespread thunder and lightening. The haram got so excited they ransacked Bohermore cemetery looking for jewellery. They stole a horse and drained it dry, poor thing.

Vampires as a rule are indifferent to suicide, albeit some try to enact scenarios.

We just sit in our coffins for an eternity..... hoping for a Zombie Apocalypse. Hope Floats.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128023#Comment_121128023

But do you not have difficulty with crossing running water or rivers? According to Bram Stoker at least

Count Dracula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121124782#Comment_121124782

It happened.

Those 7 series can shift. Turbo Charged.

it is a well known idiom of trite insignificance, that argumentative, petrolhead kill joys, are more susceptible to developing Euthanasia notions as a result of their self induced chronic loneliness?

Petrolheads always fade away into the smoke and hot air they inflict on everything else. They are basically the flagbearers of the eternally bland. Possibly suicidal. if they aren't the should be, can you imagine actually caring about a car?

Count Dracula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128043#Comment_121128043

Bram was always pushing the boat out a little too far, the stereotypes have sadly clung to us like a hex.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121128060#Comment_121128060

That's Southsiders for you.

Probably just concocted that rumour to make all the vampires afraid to try to come across the Liffey from the Northside. Where they congregate along the boardwalk to this very day!