Doping megathread - I can't even think of a witty tagline

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123648486#Comment_123648486

Not to go down the pedant trail, but the idea of what constitutes 'doping' varies wildly among the public let alone among genuine sports fans. If you applied cycling's standards to ball sports I'd agree with you. But it's hard to accept that all top Irish track athletes or cyclists, just for example, are crossing the boundary of what's legal and what's not. The immediate rewards just aren't there or certain enough and the testing in athletics and cycling is so far ahead of other sports.

As a society we've gotten very relaxed about artificially achieved physical gains, as you allude to re gyms. Fully agree with you there. Even the explosion in cocaine abuse in this country shows you have comfortable a lot of people are with putting dodgy crap into their systems. But I don't think that's a fair correlation with pro sports.

tobefrank321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123647402#Comment_123647402

You'd think they'd hire experts from a clean, high-performance environment, instead of experts from a doping environment. It makes no sense. It could all be above board, but based on optics alone is not good and sends the wrong message.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123648723#Comment_123648723

They hire both. We all know the dirty lads though.

Cycling was filthy in the past. You need cycling knowledge to run a team.

NIMAN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123648719#Comment_123648719

Would the use of inhalers be classed as doping in most sports?

I have read that their use in professional football is rife.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123649011#Comment_123649011

Depends if they are medically required or not, but if not medically required and contain a substance that requires a TUE to use, then yes, it's Doping.

Macy0161

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123649011#Comment_123649011

Depends on the drug and the dose. Inhalers generally aren't, but the same drugs taken by other methods are.

It's rife in most sports, but no gains at the correct dosage unless you have asthma iirc.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655520#Comment_123655520

Pretty much bang on, me taking a blast of an inhaler as a non asthmatic, any perceived benefits are in my head (which I suppose is still great as I will push harder). It's difficult AFAIK to get near the dose for a performance benefit using an inhaler alone but God damnit if I haven't seen it in an A4 race, a lad puffing on an inhaler like a cigar when we got neutralized. It was embarrassing. Not only so blatantly, it was around the time questions of such things were asked of Sky, but he wasn't even taking it properly so if there was any affect it wasn't from the drugs as he wasn't even taking it right. Reminded me of a kid trying to smoke to look cool back in the day.

Macy0161

Placebo effect is still an effect! I have an inhaler for asthma, and n=1 if I take too much I actually start to feel a bit ropey. I find at my level, by the time I feel I need it in a race it's normally too late and the racing is too on to get a chance.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655605#Comment_123655605

100%, if I take a drug that I think will numb pain or make me go further, chances are, I will, even if the drug could not have physiologically produced the effect seen.

cletus

I posted this a few years ago when there was discussion of inhaler use

Essentially, inhaled salbutamol has no ergogenic effect, however the study below suggests that if salbutamol is detectable in urine samples, it's likely to be administered either orally, or intravenously, which other studies have shown to have an anabolic effect.

The likelihood is, if you are ingesting orally as a PED, then you get your doctor to prescribe an inhaler as a convenient way to explain the presence of salbutamol in your samples

https://thorax.bmj.com/content/56/9/675.long

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655940#Comment_123655940

The other thing, not sure if it's in your link but the amount required to be anabolic, is not explainable by an inhaler. I think Froome claimed he was huffing it like a kid knocking back penny sweets and despite a less renowned athlete not having that accepted, Chris beat it by pure legal force of will.

Raymzor

https://x.com/remainsovereign/status/1948851060019515639?s=46&t=7ozG16xfLJh0Qt8t40pSLA

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magicbastarder

The story that links to is four months old.