Strange New Worlds S2-E7- ''Those Old Scientists"

Cookie_Monster

Fantastic episode and fair play to Newsome and Quaid for bringing the same energy to the live action Mariner and Boimler.

breezy1985

Amazing how good the Enterprise looks when it's actually lit up and not black.

flazio

<edit delete, not bothered about wording anymore >..

Slydice

Enjoyed that. Really liked the two shows mixing together, the messiness of lower decks interfering and giving away so much future secrets felt right.

Strongest scene by far I felt was the one where Boimler and Mariner were talking alone with Pike. Anson Mount does great as Pike.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120892095#Comment_120892095

Amazing how much they were able to tie threads from both shows too. It was a lot to fit into a single episode but stuff like call backs to Una's trial blew my mind.

Also fantastic little things like almost but not giving away the idea for a replicator or how Mariner was sitting when talking to Uhura.

Pat Dunne

That was painful to watch, I now recall why I stopped watching Below Decks after 5 mins.

I can’t wait for “the musical” 😖

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120894214#Comment_120894214

Lol. Cant please everyone.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120889369#Comment_120889369

Yeah god damn it! I was fan boying out thinking that we were going to see refit NX-01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120889511#Comment_120889511

She was in that god awful Space Force but she did well with what was given to her

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120894683#Comment_120894683

That show was a seriously wasted premise

Pat Dunne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120894504#Comment_120894504

I agree, there are going to be episodes that don’t hit the right notes for some of us.

However, I am really enjoying series 2 and hope the franchise has a long run.

DoctorEdgeWild

I'm afraid this one goes into the bin with Sub Rosa, Up the Long Ladder and most of DIS for me. Really, really not my sort of thing.

Second half was better than the first and Mount continues to be an absolutely brilliant Pike. (I'm trying to be positive!)

Still on board the SNW ship though!! Really hoping they balance out these episodes with some hard(er) Sci-Fi to spread the love around a bit.

Evade

Up the Long Ladder is fine.

squonk

Not my cuppa either. That’s the worst episode of SNW so far and by a long shot. Even worse it’s deprived us of a regular episode which so far have been great.

I gave up on LD after a few episodes. The ensigns acting like teenagers with ADHD thing doesn’t for me at at all. In fairness they toned that down at points. I can’t think of much I liked if I’m honest. Even the regular SNW cast felt different. I know Trek does have its light episodes but that was just too far IMHO. It’ll be one I skip over on future rewatched I feel. Such a waste of time and effort.

DoctorEdgeWild

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896624#Comment_120896624

That's the beauty of a show like Star Trek, different episodes will appeal to different people but the overall collection of episodes will appeal to the broadest amount of people. Episodes like Up the Long Ladder or Those Old Scientists may not be interesting or entertaining to me, but I know there'll be more coming along that will work.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896687#Comment_120896687

It was always going to be the case that this episode is liked or hated depending on how you feel about Lower Decks which very few people seem to be neutral about.

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120897320#Comment_120897320

Probably be similar responses with the musical episode

Spear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898560#Comment_120898560

I've no doubt I'll hate the musical episode, but least it's a one-off so I can just shrug and wait for the next one.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898900#Comment_120898900

This is one of the best things about SNW. If Discoverry did a musical it's probably be a whole season.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898560#Comment_120898560

Maybe but there is a certain vitriol towards Lower Decks. I have seen a lot of it's detractors who can't just say "I don't like it" but have to get quite nasty about it or about adult cartoons in general.

flazio

I'll be honest, I never got into the likes of Rick & Morty, Seth Macfarlands animated stuff or any of the Adult Swim content save for stuff that turns up online anyway. But there's just enough "Star Trek" in Lower Decks for me to enjoy that show. It strikes the balance of having fun with Star Trek and not just having fun at Star Treks expense.

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898961#Comment_120898961

If Discovery did a musical it would involve lots of crying and all songs would some how end up involving or be about Michael.

AMKC

https://youtu.be/evEv8mqoslI

brilliant comparision of the SNW credits and the animated version of it side by side.

flazio

Some amount of work had to go into that. Super job by the team at Titmouse (the Lower Decks animation company)

I'm actually rewatching Lower Decks as a result of this episode.

By the way, here's a 5 minutes feature on the Behind the Scenes.

https://twitter.com/StarTrekOnPPlus/status/1684201916887351296?t=GfhQibQR03f_wV6omFPlAA&s=19

Mollyb60

That may be my favourite cross over episode ever. I giggled like a child the entire way through it. Such joy. Jack Quaid is phenomenal.

pixelburp

Holy hell, that was perfect. No notes.

Funny, but restrained all the same so the two shows meshed (the comment about people in the past speaking slower a cute nod), and everything just clicked so well. It was damn lucky Newsone and Quaid vaguely looked like their characters at all - and they did a fabulous job aping their animated versions.

Trials and Tribble'ations may have been overtaken by this for a fun bit of Trek celebration. I get that people don't like Lower Decks and that's fine, but this also felt like an earnest, heartfelt showboat of Trek and its own lore.

Stark

One thing I did notice throughout the episode is how tall Jack Quaid is compared to his animated Boimler counterpart.

I've already started rewatching it. First SNW episode I've done that for so far I think. It's just so much fun.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120913586#Comment_120913586

The looking alike is not a coincidence. The animators definitely did it on purpose, if you look at Rutherford and Tendi too. It's a pity didn't see them waiting, through the portal, in real life version.

flazio

With the greatest respect to Jerry O Connell, I don't think he'd be able to pull off a live action Ransom.

Spear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120914759#Comment_120914759

I noted that and I suspect it's a budget thing. Aside from needing uniforms and make up, it would switch them from a voice role to an acting role. Plus the need for travel expenses, since the Lower Decks have been doing all their voice work remotely.