Firearms Certificate Waiting Times Survey

Rob.blair84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123285660#Comment_123285660

also ment to say its for a .22 rifle.

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123285720#Comment_123285720

Ah, well with the security sorted and just a 22 rifle you should be golden.

Well, after a period of time thumb twiddling ;)

cosieman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123270861#Comment_123270861

S obtained 😁

john_aero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123292650#Comment_123292650

I asked for it on my new application, still waiting for it. FO rang me 3 days after forms dropped in but 3 months now and still no paperwork

cosieman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123292764#Comment_123292764

Is it a pistol?

john_aero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123294187#Comment_123294187

yes pistol license, but its from germany so dealer is eager to have deal done

cosieman

Got mine from germany aswell. They normally ship it to your dealer before your licence is processed.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123299398#Comment_123299398

Or once paid for it in Germany will hold it usually for as long as necessary , usually free of charge,until the paperwork is sorted.Its no skin off their noses usually as its just an accepted fact of life until "Die Papiere sind in Ordnung",nothing will happen or move.

So its's best to let them know that Ireland takes it's time with paperwork beforehand,like in worst cases,years,and in best cases months and to ship it to you or your dealer when you have the liscense granted here,and it will,depending on which Federal state and company you deal with take the German dealer another 7 days or 31 days to get the export cert ready.That way your dealer here isnt sitting on a gun,and filling your ears about storage and costs while you wait the almighty Supers decision.

john_aero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123299746#Comment_123299746

Seller/Dealer emails now and again just see how its progressing.

The gun shop will hand it over to the Courier/Dealer once licensee is granted, this courier/dealer will do both export and import paperwork for me. I was going to do the import forms however they said they will do both

Rob.blair84

hey guys , what do i do when i get told my application was sent from one station to another and then another and now its lost and no one has any record of it ?

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123341840#Comment_123341840

You get onto the FO in your local station,and the subsequent stations and Superintendent of your district where these stations are and inform them in both a phone call and in a letter that this is a grave breach of the Data Protection Act 2018 to which AGS is also beholden under Irish law ,and that you are extremely concerned that they have admitted to now having "lost " your private data in relation to ;

Your,name ,address,contact info,your doctors name and address and any medical information that might debar you from holding a firearm,any possible criminal record,or revocation,refusals from holding a firearm,your photograph,the details of your firearm,your ammo count,Your security arrangements to securely store the gun[s], permissions on which you shoot,and the name and age and address of one or more third parties,IE the landowner/farmer, and two referees who you will be duty bound to inform of their information going lost under a data controller of the AGS so they are aware of their data breach,your gun club,be it target or NARGC information,and also any good reasons you might have to aquire that particular type of gun.

Furthermore,they have 7 days[generous] to respond and find this application from the date of your letter and phone call,to find this application,otherwise you will be forced to report this breach to the Data protection comissioners office and ask for an investigation into these stations and AGS district handling and accountability of the loss of this extremely sensitive personal data.Remind them that as AGS are the data collectors in this case they are duty bound to keep you informed of progress on finding and securing this data,so they have to provide you with a contact number of the person in charge of this station who lost it.

You might be surprised how quickly this aplication is "found" and processed and granted once the above is mentioned.

Rob.blair84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123342403#Comment_123342403

cheers , I will make a few more calls to them tomorrow type up a letter with the above , I was worried about going hard on them incase the play hard ball back and then look for a reason to refuse me since it’s my first time .

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123342458#Comment_123342458

Don't worry ,they try this on with a lot of newbies,and quite a few experianced owners.So if you can show from the get go that you will boke no S$5t they will see you are serious about this.They admitted to losing your application,its on them to own it and find it.Or explain to the Data Comissioners how strangely that in a national law enforcement organisation,what handles tens of thousands of documents daily from speeding tickets to arrest warrants and all in between,firearms applications seemingly are inexplicably THE most lost documents in aGS stations in the 26 counties every year,and shouldn't they put some sort of procedures in place to see it doesn't happen again?

After all,if a private company lost a file with all that sort of information in an office or someone left it on the nr 13 bus going home,there would be merry Hell to pay and the Data Comissioners would be sitting on you neck until it was found.

Rob.blair84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123342494#Comment_123342494

you are 100% right , I will politely and firmly make a few phone calls tomorrow and do some letters up In work that I will drop in ok the way home to show them I am serious about this and the way it’s being handled and lost , I will be requesting who was in change of ever step of the process and transporting my files from one stations to another also .
Amazing how it’s never a speeding ticket or fine that goes missing

Bananaman

You go in swinging - they'll come out swinging.

Your best bet is to ask them to process it again, seeing as they have lost your previous firearms license application. (First, In writing and with a follow up call)

You were considering going to the Data Commissioners as it is such a serious matter - but have decided that you will give it another chance.

You would appreciate, not only having the application processing expedited, but having a detailed data log, of who handled it and when, provided to you, once it has been processed.

(You'll never get that as it would be a "security problem" - but no harm in asking)

B'Man

Grizzly 45

Would you accept your insurance company,your doctor,your accountant,the revenue comissioners, or anyone else losing your very confidential information in such a cavilier manner?Why should the Gardai get a free pass,as they consistently do "lose" these documents and don't seem too botherd about this problem either.As it seems to be an endemic problem in the forces stations in the 26.

Well considering their very cavalier attitude on how evidence firearms go missing out of a joke of a storage locker with a lock that wouldn't pass muster on a civillian gun safe,and can be literally opened with a shim made out of a Coke can if you know how in the Park HQ,and end up on the streets in criminal hands again,maybe we should't expect them to be too concerned about these applications going missing.

tonysopprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123343585#Comment_123343585

It is this attitude of giving them a pass every time they disregard the laws or make blunder after blunder under GDPR, that allows them to keep doing it

Rob.blair84

hey guys , after a few phone calls and an email explaining my concerns about my information going missing and being miss handled I got a call a few minutes ago letting me know everything and being found and will now be getting processed,

I have to say I was worried about leaning them on and it being used to refuse me (witch the still might ) but in fairness can’t let them away with miss handling of peoples data also .

Rob.blair84

so here’s a question lads , what’s the districts offices roll in the application , so the super checks all your paper work and all that jazz , so is it in sent to the district off just to be rubber stamped though the system or is there more checks and meeting and stuff ?

tonysopprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123348132#Comment_123348132

1. You submit your application
2. Officer/Sgt detailed to deal with firearms checks your application is complete.
3. They then enter application on PULSE (which generates acknowledgement letter on PULSE system, which initiates the 3 month deadline), checks details like references/permissions/secure accommodation etc. Once these are complete they then forward to Firearms Sgt (if applicable) and/or then to District Office (non restricted) or Divisional Office (Restricted)
4. District(Super) or Division(Chief Super) then make decision (yes or no) or requests further enquiries to be made
5. All the above (including further enquiries) MUST be completed within 3 month or the application is deemed BY LAW to be refused

As a footnote, it is advisable to request a receipt (some stations will, some wont, but Garda best practice guidelines state that when requested, a receipt should be given for lodgment of any items) when you lodge your application, as technically the law states that the 3 month period starts on the lodgment of a completed application

Rob.blair84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123348962#Comment_123348962

ok you made that a lot more simple to understand then they did when they (Garda’s ) explained it to me ,

So I’m over the most of it at this stage as the firearm Stg called to say she was very happy with my application and is now forwarded onto the district, but will still be a few weeks anyway ,

oh a side note when they “lost” my application over the last week or 2 I was calling around trying to find out where it was , even called the divisional branch and was told they are working on a “very large backlog “ so people can be expected to wait even a few more weeks ,

john_aero

So where od people go after 3 months, considering some are just slow.

in theroy as per above they are auto rejected but no offical email or letter is it an actual refusal?

tonysopprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123350360#Comment_123350360

One part of the legislation states that a refusal must be issued but then in another part it states that if no refusal is issued then it is deemed refused

Rob.blair84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123350455#Comment_123350455

so then would you have to put it down as a refusal on any application you do after that , even if you never get a letter of refusal …

john_aero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123350455#Comment_123350455

My original belief was they had to respond by the 3 months.

Dont like ringing the FO and putting pressure on however they should be willing help. FO is decent but super is new so not sure what they are like

Rob.blair84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123350645#Comment_123350645

do the supers really be involved much ? I got the impression once the FO/ sergeant dose all her checks and says they think your fine and moves it to the super really just has to find a reason to say no or sign off on it ..

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123350608#Comment_123350608

The amount of times I was refused back in the oughties for "political" reasons rather than any criminal naughtiness on my part, the line doesn't give me much room to fill in all the dates!But I still fill it in,all the time.I mean as an Irish gun owner if you haven't been refused a license you ought to be ashamed of yourself.There have been people from the Armed Response Unit and Special Detective Unit who have been refused licenses for .22 pistols by their own bosses that they see every day,who will be putting down that they were refused licenses for the rest of their days too. So it's no actual comment on your actual chacter,or asperation on it it's a refusal for….Reasons!

Rob.blair84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123350670#Comment_123350670

jayus , so they are that bad when it comes to refusal’s that’s bloody scary ,
do they ever give a clear cut reason for refusing or do they dance around it because in my opinion saying you your cant have a gun license is like saying your a danger to the public , and saying someone is a danger to the public is a very bold statement especially if they are not knowing to the guards with a spotless record ….

freddieot

One thing to keep in mind is that once it hits 3 months, or near it even better, an applicant really need to find out what the hell is going on.

That's for several reasons, not least of which is that you only have 3 months to lodge an appeal once an application has been refused.

They could say that they sent you a letter of refusal. Then you're into he said, she said.

tonysopprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123350843#Comment_123350843

The time for appeal is 1 month from refusal, so if you received a refusal letter, well and good, you have a timeline BUT if you did not receive a refusal letter then your time for appeal is "from the day you submitted a complete application plus 3 months plus 1 month", and this timeline could be used against you (if they really wanted to get you), if you are the laissez-faire type, and let them trample all over the law as it is written.