F1 2023 - Round 10 : Austria

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120795624#Comment_120795624

Full first lap, they aren't going THAT fast that they'll catch up behind in just 1 lap.

ctrl-alt-delete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120795624#Comment_120795624

I am pretty sure it follows around for the first lap until it then pulls into the pits at that first opportunity.

Andrew76

Cheers folks. Been watching since the 90s and never really thought about it until recently. 😁

Cool_CM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120795624#Comment_120795624

Pretty sure they do the first lap and go back to the pits if there's no incident

Harika

Seems we have to play the waiting game to see the final result

https://twitter.com/karunchandhok/status/1675552288293658625

1200 track limit infringements pending!

dulpit

For those that infringed on the track limits a lot (looking at you Yuki), is there a chance of penalty points?

dulpit

Oh also, I saw on twitter that the top 3 are unaffected by the pending penalties for track limits, so it's further down the track. Aston Martin issued an appeal, so I'm guessing they're expecting either Lando or Gasly to get pinged (would move Alonso or Stroll up a position)

recyclebin

Couldn't anyone effected say they that didn't get due process and a black and white flag warning? The precedence is 3 strikes, black and white flag, then penalty. Unless it happened on the last few laps or something?

recyclebin

Looks like Aston Martin have won there appeal. New race result pending.....

Burkie1203

Lol

https://twitter.com/ChrisMedlandF1/status/1675588103417876480?t=uIKUE-6x8WrhS8rFJMYHRg&s=19

ctrl-alt-delete

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At least the Stewards have recommended that a solution be found for this track.

Arthur Pants

Another FIA farce (regardless of who is penalized).

PsychoPete

Penalties

Result

dulpit

If the rules say stay within the white lines, then stay within the white lines. Most racers didn't have an issue. But they do need to do something better going forward, a race that has the results issued 5ish hours later is not good for the sport.

Jordan 199

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120796892#Comment_120796892

Tar pits, with elephants to rescue the drivers from them.

Charlie-Bravo

Re-profile kerb so that it makes staying on the power difficult to get the car back on track. Or else, no kerb and just a gravel edge. There won't be any drivers going out side then.

Harika

The issue is that gravel traps dont work for MotoGP. So they need to find a solution that works for both series.

flazio

Just leave it as open tarmac and let the cars make the fastest line for themselves however they want.

antodeco

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120797006#Comment_120797006

And they need to use their faces to pull themselves out if the elephants can't reach them.

And maybe give the elephants lasers for eyes

McFly85

I suppose this is one time I don’t mind a post race penalty/new race classification. The cars are perfectly capable of staying within the white lines and there’s only so much the stewards can look at penalising live.

As much as the drivers like to bitch and moan about track limits, it’s a good precedent to set. Stay in the white lines or you will eventually get penalised. It’s far better than the wishy washy half implementation of track limits from a couple of years ago.

ricimaki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120797248#Comment_120797248

Change it so its a warning for first offence, drive through penalty for second offence, 10 second stop and go for third offence, and disqualified from the entire event (all points from both sprint and race gone) for fourth offence.

The track itself is perfectly fine, and produced excellent racing today. The best drivers in the world should be well capable of staying inside a white line...

Charlie-Bravo

Track limits at turn one pre-race, with an _incidence_.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJXxUqPB/

mickdw

Surely f1 isn't beyond making specific kerb detailing for f1. Give motogp their layout and perhaps use proper bolt down kerbs that f1 cars won't like somewhere inside the motogp track limit and then forget about this nonsense of watching lines for faults.

dulpit

Could a gravel trap with a removable roof work? Basically for motogp it's plain run-off, then for f1 they remove the roof, fill the area with gravel and it's a gravel trap? The track has enough money to do this...

Or, just stay within the lines...

artanevilla

These guys claim to be the best in the world at what they do, surely it's not beyond them to stay on track. They prove at Monaco, Singapore etc. that they can control the car to within mm of the barrier without touching it, surely they can keep within the lines. The fact it happened so often is probably reflective that they thought they could get away with it, even with penalties being handed out on track.

tigerboon

It's simple. The sensors already pick up when a car is outside track limits. So they have the technology. Introduce long laps like in bike racing. Have an on board light system like 3 ambers turn red so long lap penalty. Have the long lap section long enough that it's not worth taking risks with track limits, maybe 10 seconds....after all in the old days if you exceeded track limits you probably lost a lot more than a few seconds. Long lap sections are relatively easy to build or the could introduce pit lane drive throughs. Would be all in real time so no post race messing either

Charlie-Bravo

Just going back to the Sprint race, this is great viewing with analysis from Bernie Collins.

https://youtu.be/m1GjjLarOEE