Ladies footballers and camogie will play 'under protest' over lack of progress on welfare

greenspurs

I was told that it would cost an extra €100,000 to fund the travelling expenses of the county senior team.

And then add the Intermediates into that.

Its a lot of money.

Uncle Pierre

Right, time for some figures. I've looked at the 2022 Financial Reports for all three associations.

• GAA distributed over €5 million under the heading "Team Costs" - €2.4 million in team expenses, €2 million in players' mileage, and €742,000 in players' nutrition. Individual County Boards would have had their own spending on top of that.
• Camogie Association report gives no corresponding heading or figure. Closest thing to it is a combined figure of just €104,000 for "Initiatives, Programmes, Grants & Player Welfare".
• LGFA doesn't give any directly corresponding figures for funding for inter-county teams either. But even if you give them the benefit of the doubt and say that every single cent of funding for Members Expenses (€48,000), Meetings/Meals/Accommoation (€163,000) and Footballs/Jerseys/Gear (€255,000) went to inter-county teams, that still a total of just €466,000.

Clear to see we're talking a shortfall of millions of euro per year before female players can get anything even close to what male players yet. And I repeat yet again that the two women's associations still have absolutely no proposals themselves on how to make up this shortfall.

Even if the GAA agreed to meet them halfway, they'd still have to come up with a few million euro themselves.

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120812526#Comment_120812526

Calculate how many members each Assoc has?

Waaaay more in Gaa than in the Camogie and LGFA combined .........

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120812556#Comment_120812556

There is but they still haven't a clue how they can make up any shortfall.

Being honest they never will so if they come on board the GAA will have to take funding that goes to grass roots and infrastructure to give the ladies funding for there travel/nutrition etc.

Uncle Pierre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120812556#Comment_120812556

You're missing the point. The GAA figure of €5 million relates to team costs for inter-county teams, not for costs for all teams involving all members and all units of the Association.

There's roughly the same number of women's inter-county teams as there are men's. If anything, there may even be more, on account of how some counties compete in two grades in the camogie championships.

One association gives over €5 million per year in supports to their inter-county teams, while the other two give mere pittances by comparison. And I repeat yet again - still no proposals from anyone, anywhere, on how these two associations can themselves increase the level of supports they give.

Look, nobody here - not me, not anyone else - is claiming that female players are wrong to ask for better. But the issue remains that they and their associations need to take on at least some added responsbility here, instead of just continuing to hope for handouts from another association altogether. Particularly when we're talking millions of euro each year.

celt262

Great weekend of action coming up next weekend in the Quarter finals of the LGFA All -Ireland Championships

Galway v Mayo; Pearse Stadium, Salthill

Armagh v Cork Box-It Athletic Grounds,

Kerry v Meath Austin Stack Park, Tralee,

Donegal v Dublin MacCumhaill Park, Ballybofey,

It's just a pity that there are big GAA games next weekend also. Only for TG4 these games would never see the light of day.

purifol0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120812923#Comment_120812923

This is literally how financial shenanigans in the FAI, RTÉ and every other Registered Charity happens. A load of cash is given to them (usually for all the right reasons) and the people at the very top of said org decide how its spent with sod all oversight. A few years on and the grassroots are just fed up with them and eventually they get audited a couple of years down the line and lo and behold we find out the money didnt go where it was supposed to, putting the whole Org in jeopardy.

Frankly its a great argument against paying taxes, and for letting people spend their own money on their own hobbies.

Uncle Pierre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120817412#Comment_120817412

Honestly don't know what you're on about here, or why you're comparing the GAA to RTE and the FAI.

All I'll say is it's a spectacular display of naivety if you think there's sod all oversight of financial matters in the GAA, and that it's just a couple of bigwigs making arbitrary decisions on where money should go. I can only presume you're not involved in GAA administration in any way yourself, because if you were, you'd know how detailed the oversights are at every step of the way and at every level from club upwards.

I invite you to look for yourself to see how detailed the annual overall financial statements are. To get you started, the most recent one is available if you scroll to the bottom of this page: https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-report-healthy-financial-year/

Financial reports, auditors notes, etc., run from page 118 to page 254. It's the most detailed financial report of any sporting organisation I know, and certainly far more detailed than the FAI, LGFA, and Camogie Association.

purifol0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120818216#Comment_120818216

I wasn't talking about the GAA but all the other orgs that want a piece of their funding. Demanding funding from the big well run and profitable GAA, with no concrete proposal on how exactly how monies will be divied up is the issue.

Uncle Pierre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120818909#Comment_120818909

Okay. Thanks for clarifying.

However, I don't think how the other associations would divvy out the money is in question. I suspect that if the slogan for the campaign (#UnitedforEquality) is to be taken literally, then they'd be looking to share it out in much or exactly the same way the GAA does. The main issue remains how or where this money is to come from in the first place.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120818940#Comment_120818940

But surely it should be in question?

It seems that the other orgs have consistently been light on details about what they are going to do, going to bring to the table, what their proposals are, etc etc etc. The obvious conclusion is that they will also be light on details about how they are going to spend any money they do get from the GAA in the end. And that is the perfect scenario for misappropriation of funds.

zetecescort

Kilkenny not fully supporting their fellow players today but they have a history of that i guess

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120825357#Comment_120825357

Very strange. Why did Kilkenny wear the united for equality shirt if they're not going to stand with other teams and go through with the protest?

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120825357#Comment_120825357

Ohhhh...

Are ooou from Cork boiiiii ??

Or worse again ..... a Tipp lad ?

its usually one of them ..

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120825357#Comment_120825357

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1678305554966654976?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Never let the truth get in the way of bitterness ..........................

Uncle Pierre

Unfortunate that they cut that clip off just as it seemed to be about to get interesting.....

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829335#Comment_120829335

Go on...

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120829335#Comment_120829335

True.

I was watching the games and thinking that to.

Why arent women supporting camogie and ladies GF , and yet they will go to mens games in their thousands?

evolvingtipperary101

……..

greenspurs

Everyone knows a radio is useless in Windgap ......... 🙄

Pathetic 'prize' ....... 😣

Uncle Pierre

So much going on there....

Looks to be a Roberts Rambler BT Stereo radio/bluetooth speaker - currently on offer in Harvey Norman for €129 - https://www.harveynorman.ie/tvs-headphones/audio/internet-radio/roberts-rambler-bt-stereo-dab-dab-fm-radio-with-bluetooth-green.html

Presume the usual retail price is more than that. So it's possibly of greater financial value than the hurling man of the match award.

But perception is everything, and yes, it does look pathetic by comparison.

Don't know who sponsors the hurling MOTM, but they obviously weren't allowed get away with just handing over some stock they had on the shelves. Instead, part of the deal was obviously that special trophies be commissioned.

Wouldn't have taken much on behalf of the Camogie Association to say to their sponsors that okay, if you want to sponsor Player of the Match awards for four quarter-finals, you throw in €400 and get trophies worth having. Instead, they accept radios that will quite likely be left to sit in their box, for months on end. But all the while, they're probably clapping themselves on the back for having brought in a sponsor in the first place.

It's indicative of the differences in how the two associations do things from a commercial and financial point of view.

Uncle Pierre

And for an alternative view....the same Sarah Nell as above reckons that a radio is actually a better prize than the crystal glass:

zetecescort

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120836674#Comment_120836674

have to agree, sure the crystal only ends up in the parents cupboard in their good room. radio or whatever along those lines would be something useful

rolling boh

Think it's more the optics regarding the trophy v radio .Would agree radio is more use than a trophy which wouldn't hold pride of place in the house for long .

theoneeyedman

GPA claim GAA blocked All-Ireland semi-final teams from showing support for camogie and ladies football protest

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gpa-claim-gaa-blocked-all-ireland-semi-final-teams-from-showing-support-for-camogie-and-ladies-football-protest/a908522215.html

Fairly gutless response from Sligo Tom and the boys. Their silence in this dispute is deafening...... Comes across as 'We're OK girls' and we don't want to rock the boat.

Some solidarity....

Uncle Pierre

"the GPA and its membership, male and female, want a charter that guarantees adequate medical, gym, nutrition and travel expenses in time for next season, irrespective of the talks."

Parson and the GPA still have no proposals over where the funding for all these extras is to come from, apart from a general "the GAA could pay for it". Nor has he specified which part of the GAA budget should be cut in order to fund these extras. Coaching and Games Promotion? Capital grants for club and county facilities? Funding for male players?

Which part of Peter does he want to rob to pay Paul?

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120839660#Comment_120839660

The GAA need to stay strong on this and not be walked over it isn't there problem another organisation doesn't have the funding to give players what they want.

theoneeyedman

They should be all the same organization, though, at one time they were, they are the same in all but name at everything except elite level,l especially within clubs, and will be again.

There can't be a situation where the lads are getting looked after and the women are out of pocket. That it was allowed get this far is a poor reflection on the GAA and the alphabet soup of other organizations. and the GPA for trying to pull the ladder up after themselves once the lads got brought into the tent in Croke Park.

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840312#Comment_120840312

Can't see how this is any fault of the GAA they do plenty for them already by given them use of pitches and facilities.

cms88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120738063#Comment_120738063

Something like this happened with a camogie in Kerry. They had been using a GAA club. all football, for a few years when they started. The GAA club who only have one pitch said they couldn't accommodate them as there were too many using the pitch and was hard to keep up maintenance etc Camogie club then goes to the media saying they were trow out or words like that when it wasn't actually true at all.