Conor McGregor

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420132#Comment_121420132

People here got a taste of ever increasing refugee numbers and in Europe too. It was all too easy to laugh at the Americans until we experienced it ourselves. Even in the US the so call sanctuary cities that are extremely left wing are complaining. Trump will benefit from the current climate, and just as here those unaffected will wag their finger while doing nothing.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419480#Comment_121419480

I didn't vote in the last election, but I would go out of my way to vote against him.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420214#Comment_121420214

Apparently a little celebrity is all that's needed?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420217#Comment_121420217

American politics is not European or Irish, don't know why that needs clarifying. As ancapaill says we already HAVE anti immigrant parties and nobody votes for them because the Big Bad Threat people claim is there doesn't manifest on the doorstep during canvassing.

The prevailing response to the riot has been "fúck the racist scrotes", not "we must have a serious conversation about how there are too many migrants, thank you looters of Foot Locker".

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420217#Comment_121420217

McGregor as some sort of far right political firebrand reads like some sort of left wing misery porn/ fever dream.

The man is a cretin, yeah there's lots of skangers who look up to him for being a coked up rapist but they're not a sector of society who are known for swinging election results.

The next general election will be a real indication of Ireland's true appetite for far right candidates, the most prominent of who have been experiencing internal turmoil of late. Last time out the far right accounted for less than 1% of total votes cast. Even if they enjoyed relative exponential growth they're not going to get anywhere, and for that to happen voters have to ignore the likes of Justin Barrett openly quoting Mein Kampf.

How Conor McGregor factors into this bringing his hoards of coked up "Yup Bro" fans (most of whom you'd assume have never registered to vote) to the table is anyone's guess.

Although I must admit there's something amusing about the idea of Taoiseach Conor McGregor draped in a tricolour screaming "yis'll do nuttin" across the Oireacthas at the opposition.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420231#Comment_121420231

The response to the riots was that there is not enough Gardai in D1 or elsewhere. There were opportunists that took advantage of the situation which was a result of Ireland’s weak immigration policy.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420249#Comment_121420249

The lack of Gardaí on the streets has nothing to do with immigration. And given the 11(?) torched cop cars there'll be even fewer Gardaí on the streets now - funny that. How you link not enough Gardaí with weak policy sounds like a conclusion worked backwards.

There's a chronic shortage of cops, teachers, doctors, childcare specialists, army, firefighters, plumbers, nurses and about every other "vocation" in Ireland - none of that is immigration related. Indeed, they're sectors where the problem is solved with immigration. Maybe Pawel and Mohammed need to be put in a uniform while their partners work our hospitals.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420246#Comment_121420246

He could give Higgins a run for money with the amount of times he puts his foot in his mouth.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420270#Comment_121420270

None of those problems will be solved by the people posing as refugees with no education or needed skills. The whole system has been played for years and here you are comparing skilled migrants with refugees travelling through multiple safe countries shopping for better welfare and landing with their handout.

RobbieV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420270#Comment_121420270

This is untrue.

Immigrants doesn't exist in a vacuum. They are consumers too. 10k come to fill jobs and that 10k need services, food, housing, infrastructure etc which creates demand for more immigrants to fill roles to cater for demand.

The problem is the population growing too fast all at once. Year after year PPS numbers issued records are broken, passport issued records are broken. Too much all at once

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420291#Comment_121420291

None of this addresses how immigration somehow takes away Gardaí from problem areas in Dublin.

What you want, and most people want, is fast processing of asylum claims, but again this has no link with policing - and instead speaks to a bureaucratic failure to process valid refugees from those with no right to stay. A distinction not exactly expressed by those screaming "go back to where you came from" as they torched Gardaí cars.

Thanks to these scrotes, your lament about a lack of police is now worsened by a sudden reduction in equipment - this is hardly anyone's fault except the listless scumbags.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420299#Comment_121420299

Show me figures that show population growth would be arrested enough by closing immigration, such that service demand is lessened, and I'll take you point. You seem to be implying were it not for migration our vocations would be perfectly staffed - when the truth is adequately shown here and elsewhere critical roles require inward migration. We can't magic nurses or doctors from the "native" population, so we need migration.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420299#Comment_121420299

No, the problem is people who expect nothing to change. People expect everything to stay the same so they object to new houses, funding childcare and so on. The world is different than it used to be. If you refuse to adapt, you will experience problems.

Rows Grower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420194#Comment_121420194

You really have your finger on the pulse of the Irish political scene and the feelings of the nation it has to be said.

I think you'd make a great senior advisor to Mr. McGregor when he starts his own political party.

RobbieV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420349#Comment_121420349

Change of what?

My post is related to the unprecedented volume of immigration in a short time. Yours seem to point towards something else

dickdasr1234

What sort of people object to providing refuge to people who have endured a monthslong siege underground with no power, nor access to food, water or sanitation?

Even the worst-off live very cosy little lives here by comparison.

If our government can't run the show, lets not blame the godforsaken Ukrainian refugees.

Skills-wise, immigrants are keeping the economy afloat in this country.

A tiny minority of ignorant hoors are a blight that needs to be dealt with.

Unfortunately, those tasked with the management of public security seem ill-equipped to do so!

Rows Grower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420388#Comment_121420388

What sort of person believes the refugees arriving here have survived a month underground with no water?

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420383#Comment_121420383

Again, where's the proof the burden is coming from immigration? If there's more detail further in then I'm all ears but according to the CSO,

Births to mothers of Irish nationality accounted for more than three-quarters (76%) of births in 2022. A further 1.9% of births were to mothers of UK nationality, with 2.3% born to mothers from EU14 countries (excluding Ireland).

If there's pressure it's not coming from migrants. People are living longer, healthier lives - thus vocations aren't able to match demand, and hence migrant doctors, child carers and so on. Or indeed the ticking time bomb of pensions, but none of this are immigrants fault.

And bogus asylum seekers need better bureaucracy so legitimate cases can be absorbed into our society. The immigrants themselves sure don't like being stuck in legal limbo.

RobbieV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420505#Comment_121420505

Why would you choose births rather than people entering the country last year and recent yeard? Bizarre

From the CSO April 2023

There were 141,600 immigrants which was a 16-year high. This was the second successive 12-month period where over 100,000 people immigrated to Ireland.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420518#Comment_121420518

That's not proof anything in fairness.

RobbieV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420530#Comment_121420530

• "There were 141,600 immigrants which was a 16-year high. This was the second successive 12-month period where over 100,000 people immigrated to Ireland"

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420536#Comment_121420536

And?

RobbieV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420553#Comment_121420553

Well it's back to my point. As per the CSO record immigration year on year.

Could you clarify your comment about "change" ?

Not quite sure what you meant there.

fatbhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420388#Comment_121420388

What sort of people object to providing refuge to people who have endured a monthslong siege underground with no power, nor access to food, water or sanitation?

The people who understand the consequences of taking those people in.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420214#Comment_121420214

It's good that they squabble so much among themselves. I wouldn't like to see them finally agree on the colour of shite and get a seat in the dail or something.

slay55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420117#Comment_121420117

He’ll fix this country.

Collie D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420731#Comment_121420731

To paraphrase the man himself he’ll do nothing.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420214#Comment_121420214

There's still room for a Standing at the Back Dressed Stupidly and Looking Stupid Party.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420518#Comment_121420518

Because you're contending that immigration is having some serious quantitative effect on the supply of basic services to the country - so where's the proof? Numbers alone tell nothing, least if all respective effects on said services. 150+ thousand aren't all scroungers or fakers, but contributors to the economy.

Births tells us most people added to the population are Irish born, and "from birth" supply is more instructive given it'll cover everything from doctors, nurses, teachers and childcare - all sectors struggling to match demand Vs population... and all buttressed by migrants. Anyone with kids in childcare will certainly have seen this, or anyone availing of medical treatment. And the cliché of the Indian doctor is older than I am; we're a rich nation that needs immigration for its services.

But in any case, whenever you land on the topic, Conor McGregor is not the panacea and saying otherwise is lunacy.

RobbieV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420845#Comment_121420845

The CSO report shows record year on year immigration.

How can this influx not create extra demand on current infrastructure capacity?

I don't understand your argument which ignores the numbers coming in. An odd one indeed and one I haven't come across before.

Rows Grower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420845#Comment_121420845

If you're trying to argue that immigration is not having a serious quantitive effect on the supply of basic services to this country then you are either not living in this country or trolling.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121420869#Comment_121420869

You don't understand how migrants coming into this country are often supplying a demand for basic vocational services, something stats alone can't show? I thought it couldn't be clearer. Numbers don't tell the story on its own. Context matters.

You make the contention, you show the squeeze. Cos shutting the doors to migration will definitely have the negative effect on our ability to staff hospitals or whatnot. Whereas better asylum processes will fix much of the problems people profess to be worried about (bogus claims), while getting valid migrants into our economy and society.