Picard 3x10- 'The Last Generation' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

ilovesmybrick

Picard 3x10- 'The Last Generation' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** } Warning: This thread will contain spoilers

ilovesmybrick

Well that was a blast! Really enjoyed that episode, and the season overall. Yeah, leaned heavily on the nostalgia, but they did it far better than we could have expected after the previous seasons.

The cube was immense! Has to be one of the most intimidating versions we've seen to date. The queen also was something else to look at. As far as I recall the First Contact concept art had a very similar look, so it was nice to see how they integrated that into the episode. I'm presuming that the issue with the collective goes back to the finale of Voyager and the virus Janeway introduced. Those drones were seriously threatening too, far more so than we got used to seeing of them all lining up in to corridor to be shot down.

I'm going to completely ignore any quite valid comparisons of the D and the Millenium Falcon. Simply because that was absolutely awesome! Doesn't quite work out size wise I think, but it was a pretty cool visual.

Worf and Riker on point with the one liners, "Do you even listen to yourself"! And the weight of the Mekleth was a fun bit, almost as fun as swords are!

Walter Koenig voicing the president was fun. We've had cameos in this season from TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY-and they all pretty much worked, which is a shock. It was a pity that they used the transporter effect from Voyager on the D, but that's a minor thing. I had hoped that they would recommission the D and send it off into the sunset. And honestly that would have been a better idea than making the Titan the G. I'm not sure how I feel about that yet, but I have very strong feelings about Raffi being the first officer and Jack being the counseller or whatever. Really detracts from my interest in Legacy.

Maybe it's just me, but I was very disappointed with the end credits scene. I presumed it was a way to get Shaw back after the fact, but more Q...Like it's great that they basically killed off Season 2 and the death of Q nonsense, but not only did it not bring Shaw back, it also sets up Jack as somewhat of a Deus Ex Machina. He gentically inherits the Borg from his father, and now Q....bit much to be honest. Like it's great that there is permadeath of important characters, but why Shaw when it could have been Raffi instead...

Also the signal from the Borg vanishes and all the nano probes go away? Never mind that Jack appears to have had surgery in the 5 minutes he got onto the D.

Look, I've quibbles, a few of them, but that episode was a wild ride and it was a decent send off. The last 10-15 minutes or so dragged out a tad much for me, but in general this was a pretty great season of TV. And one I'll definitely be going back to again.

Spear

Solid and satisfying enough I thought. No major surprises. I genuinely did not see the post credits scene reveal coming though.

Random thoughts otherwise:

There's a few points that just felt a bit like pandering though, such as the ship renaming, Jack's special position.

I thought for a moment they'd do a Return of the Jedi style escape from the Death Star when they find the beacon, but they managed to keep it different enough.

I liked the body horror cannibalism setup of the queen.

So that Troi/Riker telepathy thing finally gets revisited after 40 years....

I see that the Walter Koenig appearance/Anton Yelchin homage only happened because he's Todd Stashwick's neighbour, who went round and knocked on his door to ask him to do the voice over.

They seem to be keeping Shaw dead, which is unexpected.

They certainly seem to be setting up the Legacy series at the end.

eadrom

NAILED IT.

Will need to gather my thoughts and maybe see it again before I can be at all subjective about it but what a lovely curtain call for the TNG crew, and ship. Was a bit of a rocky road to get here but a really satisfying conclusion.

Enterprise D looked magnificent. Could have maybe done without the sequence through the Borg cube, but okay.

Enterprise G is a little... underwhelming. But okay.

The Borg stuff was good. It's not so much a pity that they brought the Borg back again this time, more that they brought them back the other times. This one felt worth it.

The poker game at the end... perfection.

Loved the end-credit sequence. Wasn't expecting that either but happy they're making up for past season's silliness.

So Seven, Rafi, and Jack sitting centre-stage for a new series? Not sure I dig it, but we'll see.

eadrom

Oh but where the hell was Janeway? Story-wise that seems like an inexcusable omission. Borg queen didn't even mention her.

Acosta

Decent last episode, but not great. I do welcome the happy ending. If this is to be the last of the TNG era, it's a much nicer way to end than Nemesis. The hinting of a future ''Legacy'' series wouldn't interest me much with the inclusion of Raffi and no Shaw. I bet they regret killing him off, but as it was made about a year ago, there might not have been much they could do to fix it?

Overall, the series was much stronger over the first few episodes, than it was over the last few. The less Shaw was in it, the worse it got really. Bringing back The Borg was lazy. They really should have been able to think of something better.

sunbeam

Just finished it. I have few niggles and was also dissapointed with the lack of Janweay, but overall I'm happy. Delighted with Seven's fate as I was afraid she would be sacrificed in order to finish off the queen. I'd be happy top watch her heading up Legacy, provided tht they introduce at least a few stronger characters to the crew.

FutureGuy

I’m really really annoyed by the Enterprise G.

For a writing team to nail so much, this was just an awful decision in my opinion.

It was right there. Give them a new Constitutuon III ship. USS Picard. Star Trek Picard.

Instead the give the Enterprise name (and presumably the flagship) to a refit. Not to mention shutting on the Titan’s history. The Enterprise is supposed to be ship if the line. Filled with the best and the brightest.

And if that wasn’t bad enough, give the ship to a captain with no experience (sorry, Seven).

i cannot believe how that one thing overshadowed an otherwise fantastic episode for me.

corkie

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Last_Generation_%28episode%29

• Jane Edwina Seymour as Borg Queen Body Double ~~ So no appearance by 'Annie (RIP)'

Very sentimental !!??

ilovesmybrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120500101#Comment_120500101

Yeah, the G and Raffi being the first officer were two of the weakest parts of the episode for me also. The Enterprise F has to have had the least screen time of any Enterprise to date!

eadrom

It was a bit cheap but I didn’t mind it. I don’t think the Enterprise is necessarily the flagship? Or even anything necessarily special (“ship of the line” or whatever)?

Sure the Enterprise A was nothing special in its time and rumoured to have been a rechristened USS Yorktown.

Enterprise B was a yet-another-Excelsior.

So the G is a little lazy maybe but I don’t mind too much. Though I would have preferred to keep the Titan, have that be the show, and have the more powerful Enterprise turning up from time to time for a bit of awe and wonder.

KurtBarlow

I enjoyed the series but also not the bit about the Enterprise G. So can someone clarify was the Enterprise F destroyed or are there 2 enterprises now? It doesn't make sense for the newest Enterprise to be technology to be very limited as the titan is

Spear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120500261#Comment_120500261

Enterprise F was scheduled for decommisioning already, hence why Shelby was commanding it for it's send-off.

eadrom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120500261#Comment_120500261

They mentioned that it was going for “early” (little too convenient) decommissioning. I suppose we don’t really know how long it has been in service or it’s history, could have been a while

i think Shelby said it while the ship was coming out of space dock in episode 9. And/or it was written on a screen somewhere. Definitely mentioned though.

corkie

rumoured to have been a rechristened USS Yorktown

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Yorktown_%2823rd_century%29

According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia (4th ed., vol. 2, p. 509), "Roddenberry reportedly suggested the second USS Enterprise-A, launched at the end of Star Trek IV, had previously been named USS Yorktown since it seemed unlikely that Starfleet could have built a new Enterprise so quickly. If this was the case, the Yorktown may have made it safely back to Earth and been repaired and renamed, or perhaps there was a newer, replacement Yorktown already under construction at the time of the probe crisis."

Rawr

They actually did it…they stuck the landing…and that ending had me smiling for most of it. Final-f*cking-lee a season of Trek I might actually re-watch…for fun!

As for the Trek show they seem to be implying at the end there? I’d think I’d watch that. If they can remember what made this season of Picard work and keep that going then I’m hopeful. Begone with that Discovery nonsense, and onwards with a new Trek story in the world we all remember and love.

Spear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120500316#Comment_120500316

The one they're setting up is tentatively called Legacy. I'm not as optimistic as I was thinking Shaw would be on board. I'm not convinced that Seven alone is enough of a character and history to anchor the show.

Acosta

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120500316#Comment_120500316

Yeah, this will be the first star trek show since the 90s l that I will re-watch.

As for the spinoff, if it happens. I'd give it a go, but with the inclusion of Shaw, it would have really been something to look forward to.

The Enterprise G thing doesn't really bother me, but I liked the Titan as it was. Cool ship and name.

_Kaiser_

I need to think about it to be honest...

The whole Titan/Enterprise-G thing annoyed me. I'm with FutureGuy above on that one and how it could have been handled.

The post-credits scene was interesting. I like Jack as a character/actor so I've no problem with Q taking an interest in Jean Luc's offspring, presumably to keep an eye on him given the last scenes they had in S2

Seven and Raffi though - not a fan. Raffi just needs to go away 3 seasons ago. Seven isn't strong enough to carry a show.

But I do really need to think about the resolution to the Borg plot and how it was handled. Will need a rewatch but my initial reaction is disappointment after the promise of the end of the previous episode - we didn't even get a "Captain's log" from Jean Luc from the bridge of the -D

breezy1985

Some nice moments in the quieter parts (Geordie and Data congratulating each other got me) but mostly just shte action scenes and a shte plot. It's a pity because the last 2 episodes could have made a good movie if not for the 8 pointless ones of the terrible Vadic.

Millennium Falconprise was absolutely stupid.

They renamed the Titan the Enterprise G dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Raffi can't even fekin say 1701 correctly.

Whoever wrote that scardy cat cook character has obviously never worked with a chef 😁

Why did a museum piece Enterprise even have torpedoes ?

Was anyone else more choked up seeing Shaw than any other scene ?

Also what part of the ship is Jacks quarters in. It's always full of dust and is being blasted with a high power search light

fritzelly

Well that was just brilliant through and through from the very start with the changed intro to the Enterprise flying through the cube to the big space battle (must have cost a fortune for all the CGI) and to the circling final shot

It's a fitting end to TNG and on to the next...

Brief_Lives

Good episode, enjoyed that.

Agree with the lame Enterprise-G stuff.. hardly flagship stuff.

Great appearance of Q. very fun ending.

corkie

@_Kaiser_ The post-credits scene was interesting. I like Jack as a character/actor so I've no problem with Q taking an interest in Jean Luc's offspring, presumably to keep an eye on him given the last scenes they had in S2

Q quips that he had hoped "the next generation" would not think so linearly.

Can not find the site where it was theorized that it is a younger version of Q that Jack meets. So prior to his season 2 end.

Edit: - it was posted in the Continuity section of the wiki linked earlier

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28NCC-1701-G%29

^^^ USS Titan-A now redirects to the above link.

FutureGuy

Ok so my brother is of the opinion that the Enterprise G rename was a way to increase the chances of Legacy being made. Hard to argue with that tbh.

breezy1985

Where's Laris ?

CastorTroy

Excellent finale.

Q looking better than last season and not as old. I know he was sick but this looks more than that the same way even Picard seemed less old this season.

Was a weird shot having Rafi, Seven and the girls on the viewscreen. And wouldn't she be Captain Nine?

Considering we hear the "Signal interrupted. Execute last command" shouldn't the borg possessed ones still have continued the attack after the cube was destroyed?

TheValeyard

I liked a lot of it. Great send off for the TNG crew.

Enterprise doing the Death Star run was a bit.....a ship that size.....you get the idea. But still, looked class.

Titan as the Ent-G? Not sure about that. Unless it gets some brilliant upgrades.

raffi as no.1 ah fcuk off with that.

BRING BACK SHAW YE CLOWNS!!

Q still alive? Good. Definitely setting things up for that Legacy show.

Music was awesome

Visuals were stunning.

Is the Ent-F not decommissioning early?

Some of the lines were very good.

They ended up doing a good job with the Borg, still not sure how the cube snuck into Jupiter and no one noticed.

Seems Starbases are built like fcuk.

Deathtoll from this episode must be catastrophic .

Where the hell is Orla Brady FFS?

I don't mind a ship that size turning like that in space, to be honest. Never bought the whole slow moving cruiser that can travel at warp 9.6, or can use impulse engines to move at a, restricted, 0.25c. There is huge momentum shifting power in theose impulse engines and have been shown to have immediate high levels of thrust.

Rafi actually didn't bother me once they dropped the forced angst.

They'll need to somehow revive Shaw. They've made a monumental error here

Slydice

Enjoyed that overall as a kinda fanfare goodbye.

Felt there was too much story to cover in the fight and especially the Borg parts so it all felt a bit rushed and underwhelming. Especially the father-son rescue arc. Just too much packed into too little.

The nostalgia feels though, everything and everyone was there and felt good.

The special effects were all brilliant.

Biggest feels of the episode, I'd have to give to Shaw commending Seven. The whole season arc for them all came together and that really impacted.

Seven in charge of the ship felt solid. Enterprise G eh 🙂

Beverly looked good doing tacticle. She fit right in up there.

ItHurtsWhenIP

A definite dose of BOBW there, though I probably would have preferred that they didn't end by basically replicating AGT's ending, but rather have the final scene in 10 forward with a bit of Klingon Karaoke and Dad dancing out of Picard.

Jesus but Starbase One can take a hell of a beating.

The Riker and Worf lines were great. I had several belly laughs at those ... especially "Do you even hear yourself?" 🤣🤣🤣

Let's not go there with the Death Cube fly through by a massive starship ... it looked great, but was completely ridiculous ... and especially the handbrake turn to pick the lads up before the escape.

Considering how wimpy the Titan was in the earlier episodes, I was a bit disappointed that it now bears the Enterprise name.

I dunno about the Q thing as being part of the future possible series ... de Lancie is 75 FFS.

I think 7 deserves the chance at being a Captain and I would watch a show with her as the lead, but let's lose Raffi, please.

Overall though I did enjoy the episode and the whole season was a massive improvement over the previous two completely forgettable ones.

Imagine that this was the 1st season 😭

AMKC

Wow that was Awesome. Loved the scale of the D against the Borg Cube and the the Enterprise D inside it and hoovering over them was Awesome too. The Starbase really put up ond hell of a fight.

Great ending. The only thing I did not like was the Titan wing renamed as the Enterprise-G. They should have flew over under her to another ship with a proper full sized saucer that was the G at least that is how I would have done it.

Well I guess Shaw and the Borg are officially no more then at least not going forward anyway.

Has every one watched the after Credits scene? Did not see that coming

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120502234#Comment_120502234

I think I'm actually kind of glad that the Borg are dead now. They were my favourite Sci-fi villian for so many years and this ending somewhat makes sense and feels final. Flashbacks and their Legacy sure...but no more trying to reinvent the wheel. I feel they peaked with First Contact, and maybe should have been left alone for a good while after. Certainly not as much as they were used in Voyager.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120502490#Comment_120502490

We always knew Voyager would some day reach Borg space and 8472 was a good story on how to get past.

The later stuff about Janeway being the arch nemesis able to take the whole collective with 1 ship and also 7 being some sort of special drone was utterly stupid and I didn't even finish Voyager because of it.

Evade

About as good as it could have been given the rest of the series. I hope this sends a message as to how to bring back legacy characters, not just in Star Trek, in the future.

There was definitely some cheese but it wasn't overbearing.

On the whole Enterprise G and the name in general. Only the D was ever referred to as the flagship as opposed to other ships that would have served as a flagship i.e., have the fleet's admiral aboard. The D (and NX, I suppose) was the only one that was really top of the line too the others were just regular ships, the B was even a tweak to a 20 year old design when it was launched. Naming it Picard or even Shaw might have been a better in uninverse fit though unless Starfleet also have a rule against naming ships after still living officers. Making it the Shaw could have opened up having a Rios style hologram of Shaw as a way to skirt his death.

Depending on how well the older officers in the rest of the fleet fared Starfleet could be very young now. It reminds me a bit of the situation in the original Gundam series.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Seven and Jack series but either without Raffi or a radically improved version of her and to be fair she was far less annoying in the final two episodes than the other 28.

I think the highest praise I can give this series is, I will rewatch it.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120502545#Comment_120502545

I bet the next show very quickly forgets that "the entire fleet" was at Earth that day.

Also E was top of the line and we don't really know anything about C or F. The TOS Enterprise would seem to have been top of the line too. So it's only A and B that were not top of the line I would say.

I just don't see it being a good idea or necessary to change the name of the Titan at all.

Stark

Enjoyed it overall. Not quite sure about some of the execution in the last episode: people being unassimilated from the Collection through the power of love *again*. Was naff with Borgati in Season 2 and naff but more forgivable (given it was a kid's show) in Prodigy. But overall a much better send off for the TNG crew than Nemesis was and everyone's left in a good place.

I'm less excited for "Legacy". The "Enterprise-G" thing looks really cringe, nothing wrong with having the series set around the Titan. I was looking forward to a Shaw and Seven series. Shaw is a good character in his own right and I especially liked the Riker-Shelby dynamic he had going on with Seven. The whole getting off on the wrong foot but learning to respect each other thing. Seven-Raffi just doesn't do it for me. Also, Seven's excuse for having Jack in the senior bridge officer seat sounds like the role Janeway made up for Naomi Wildeman.

Beverly looked good doing tacticle. She fit right in up there.

Edit: Sorry I read "tacticle" as "tactile" rather than "tactical" on first glance, hence the "Oh my!" reaction 😀

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120502651#Comment_120502651

A and E were regular ships, A was even speculated to be a recommision. The D was one of a pair, at the time, of top of the line ships of a brand new class (although logically a precommision USS Galaxy myst have existed then too) which isn't true for any other Enterprise, NX aside, AFAIK. That's wht D got the flagship designation, it was in the premier product sense and not the military sense.

Spear

The more I think about the G renaming, the more of an insult to Shaw it seems like.

Picard/Riker turn up unannounced, attempt to manipulate him, and it's clear that he has disdain and valid criticisms of them and their reputations. They go on to get the ship trashed, boarded, make him and his crew into fugitives, before ultimately getting him killed. And the final indignity, the ship he captained and whose construction he oversaw, is instead renamed to honour those who brought it all that mess down upon him.

Cookie_Monster

I'd hardly call a Soverign class "regular". They were absolutely top line warships if anything and certainly peak tech at the time.

Ronald Moore seemingly said it was the flagship also.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120503021#Comment_120503021

The Defiant was a top of the line warship too but also a regular ship. Flagship I the military sense as in the HQ ship of a fleet or flagship in the top of the line product sense? In First Contact it definitely fit the military sense, Picard assumed command of the fleet.

mewso

A few glad to see the end of the Borg. How long have you been watching Star Trek guys? Do you really think it's the last we've seen of them?

I thought it was going to be Titan renamed Picard at the end there but somehow they probably thought renaming to the Enterprise was the bigger fan service. When you are in fan service mode it's hard to see the wood for the trees but you can't lose really. Anyway plot holes everywhere you look but ultimately far more enjoyable than the first 2 seasons so kudos for that.

P.S. So JP's new body has a socket in the neck or you can just jam Borg tech. wherever you like to join the collective?

Stark

P.S. So JP's new body has a socket in the neck or you can just jam Borg tech. wherever you like to join the collective?

Both Soong-type positronic synths and Borg drones need to come with USB-C connectors. EU directive.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120503399#Comment_120503399

A Borg drone plugging into something is what caused all this mess.

Also I wonder does this whole situation lead to issues with 7 or other XBs ever wanting to have kids.

corkie

https://ew.com/tv/patrick-stewart-star-trek-picard-borg-queen-alice-krige/

As for the queen herself, Matalas knew he didn't want to put 68-year-old Krige underneath all the heavy prosthetics. The Borg leader "looks so emaciated and wildly different" than Krige's look in First Contact, the showrunner points out, "but we had to have Alice. It had to be her."

Matalas at least remembers when Krige saw the final rendering of the new Borg Queen. "We shot it and then she saw the footage and was like, 'Oh my God! That's what I look like?'" he says. "It's such a different take that she enjoyed jumping into it."

StudentDad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120502953#Comment_120502953

Yes, well said!

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120502953#Comment_120502953

They'll at least name a shuttle after him... right... right???

breezy1985

Episode 1 of Legacy should be 7 going back in time Janeway style to save Shaw.

Also should there not be an assimilated future Janeway on that cube somewhere ? Haven't seen Endgame in years so can't remember.

StudentDad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120503894#Comment_120503894

lol Ask the committee! Although, they'll probably just refer it to a focus group. You never know!

Sorry couldn't resist jumping in there.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120503904#Comment_120503904

The Unicomplex exploded in Endgame. In Picard season one it showed the cubes have an Iconinan Gateway type device, presumably that's how the Queen escaped but I might just be thinking in three-dimensional terms.

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120503999#Comment_120503999

Definitely mentioned the Borg assimilated Sikarians or their tech which included the transporter thinge that had a range of 40K. Queen arrives or escapes via that if needs be.

Edit: apparently it's called 'spatial trajector technology'