You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left - read OP

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743498#Comment_120743498

It's from the NY Post. I wouldn't expect anything more than that.

You might as well be reading The Onion for your news.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744625#Comment_120744625

That was a red flag for me as well. The intellectual side of the right seems to have withered and died.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744625#Comment_120744625

If you’re trying to pretend it didn’t happen it’s not going to work

https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/people/east-sussex-teacher-calls-pupils-opinion-despicable-after-classmates-claim-she-identifies-as-a-cat-4187907

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744541#Comment_120744541

yes a single teacher, a single student. Its makes a nice Tabloid headline but Im more interested in trends, policies. People can be terrible on an individual basis both Left and Right leaning, but don't be the boy who cried wolf based on one Sh!tty person.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743424#Comment_120743424

What about been labelled homophobic. Told she should leave the school and that she was being reported to the administration. Any nuance there?

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744742#Comment_120744742

Having read the three articles, do you think the headlines are accurate or somewhat misleading?

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744586#Comment_120744586

It is one individual teacher. Do you not think they do the same in religious schools for those students that deny god exists, should I worry about that if my children are not sent to religious schools? The parents should yank their kid out of the school if they dont agree with the policy. Im more interested in knowing is it a school policy, state policy, or a single isolated incident that has been blown out of proportion.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744420#Comment_120744420

The attitude of the teacher is informed by the policies being put forward by lobby groups.

Lobby groups have an enormous reach these days, only yesterday on Newstalks breakfast show they interviewed Dr Paul Moran (a psychiatrist with National Gender Services) who was commenting on the ban on conversion therapy. They discussed how conversion therapy isn't something they had ever encountered in this country and that it was a non issue.

Why this is relevant is that here we have time and tax payers money being spent on combating an issue that doesn't exist but on the surface is something the majority of people myself included would be opposed to.

Nobody wants conversion therapy to be occurring in Ireland so naturally we need to beef up our laws to bring it to an end is the logic at play but the people dealing with these issues aren't encountering it at all.

Lobby groups again having too much influence, a few months ago another doctor who works with gender disphoric individuals and their medical transitioning was on the same show pleading with trans lobby groups to allow new treatments to be given time to prove their clinical effectiveness before demanding that they be made available to anyone and everyone as it most likely would end up having a negative impact on actual transgender people as opposed to the lobby groups who they stated many of whom were made up of people who were not themselves transgender.

We can say that one teacher throwing a wobbly about allowing a kid to say they're a cat isn't proof of anything but that ignores the reality of how that teacher received the prompting they needed to make those statements.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744773#Comment_120744773

What about what about what about…

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744793#Comment_120744793

No the parents should not have to yank their child out of school for not going along with this.

The teacher is the one who should be removed and the policy of forcing kids to pretend their classmate is a cat should be changed.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744824#Comment_120744824

I think the admonishment was for saying there was only two sexes. The course of action should be based on whatever the school policy is. Usually parents have to sign up to these polices so either the teacher is in the wrong or not. If it is school policy, and if the parents disagree with this policy, then the parents should send their kid to a school that reflects their views.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744814#Comment_120744814

You picked on one technicality in the recording to do some mental gymnastics. If someone calls your opinions despicable they are calling you despicable.

The teacher also called them a homophobic, told them they should leave the school and reported them to the administration. Something you glossed over

You said you agree with what the teacher said. Do you agree with all that?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744841#Comment_120744841

And the teacher calling the child homophobic? Is that part of what parents sign up to?

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744824#Comment_120744824

Are we to go along with the notion that "cat" in now a gender?

Any rational person would see a child identifying as a different species and direct them to the relevant psychiatric bodies and a teacher in such a situation shouldn't even discuss the issue with other students never mind ending up in a full blown argument over it.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744843#Comment_120744843

I asked you a question about the headlines. Do you think they’re accurate or slightly misleading?

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744846#Comment_120744846

No, but i m sure there are policies for that too. This is a school matter that has been blown out of all proportion.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744874#Comment_120744874

Accurate, but also irrelevant.

The recording shows what happened and headlines don’t change that. Stop deflecting

Do you agree with that the teacher did?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744882#Comment_120744882

In what way is it blown out of proportion? Theres a few news articles. People usually say that when they don’t like a light shined on certain topics.

Fake news, newspaper is a Nazi

ok not fake but it didn’t happen the way you say it did

ok it did but she only said the ideas were despicable (ignoring the homophobic label and telling them to leave the school)

ok but they signed up to the policy even though no one has shown that policy (still ignoring the homophobic and leave the school remark)

ok that all happened but it was only one teacher

ok but this is just out of proportion

This shows the ideology. Act all about inclusion and belonging but when you’ve a bit of power and influence over a 13 year old child then threaten and abuse them if they don’t agree their classmate is a cat.

It’s insidious

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744947#Comment_120744947

Have I missed someone linking to a number of similar events, teachers calling students homophobic for saying there are only two genders, or are you making a general statement here?

The school even says "We strive to uphold the highest standards across the school. We will be reviewing our processes and working with the relevant individuals to ensure such events do not take place in the future." So we don't even know if the teacher will be punished for this event!

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744898#Comment_120744898

No, I just wanted to see where you are coming from. Because in the instance of the 3 headlines, they are slightly to wilfully misleading.

Headline 1: Student called ‘despicable’ by teacher after challenging peer who identifies as a cat: report

Headline 2: School that allowed child to identify as cat faces government investigation

Teacher at Rye College in East Sussex was recorded suggesting a pupil who refused to accept her classmate was a cat that she was despicable.

Headline 3: East Sussex teacher calls pupil's opinion 'despicable' after classmate's claim she 'identifies as a cat'

A teacher at an East Sussex school called a student’s opinion ‘despicable’ in a discussion about a classmate’s claim that she ‘identifies as a cat’.

Do you wonder why these papers are playing you and those that have issues with genders? I’d have thought it should be enough if the headlines told the truth that a teacher remonstrated with two students who said that the same levels of outrage would be on display

“The students disagreed, telling the teacher, “if you have a vagina you’re a girl and if you have a penis you’re a boy.”

And THAT is when the teacher interjected, “The teacher then interjected, raising their voice to say that while the students may consider being cisgender the “norm” it is not the law.

“You are talking about the fact that cisgender is the norm, that you identify with the sexual organ you were born with. That’s basically what you’re saying, which is really despicable.”

So the headlines are absolutely misleading. And that is a real danger from the right. All the headlines point to the disagreement being about a student wanting to be a cat, when in fact the disagreement happened because these students did not want to recognise trans individuals.

Why do you think the papers play you and other anti-trans people so well?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120745074#Comment_120745074

The teacher was already arguing with the pupil because she disagreed the other pupil is a cat. And using the homophobia label to try to shut them down was clearly heard on the recording. The ‘headlines are different’ deflection is irrelevant.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744965#Comment_120744965

This isn't the first case of students wishing to identify as cats. There was another, similar case in Melbourne:

A "phenomenally bright" teen girl is reportedly identifying as a cat at a school in Australia.

In one of a number of cases recently reported in the country, the student is apparently allowed to act like a feline and be non-verbal while attending classes.

The private school in Melbourne is said to be allowing the behaviour as long as it does not become a distraction to fellow pupils.

In a separate case in Brisbane:

In Brisbane, a group of four female students are said to have taken to walking on all fours and cutting holes in their uniforms to make room for tails.

They added: "The more strongly a person identifies as a furry, the more likely they are to feel that they are treated worse by society for being furry".

Self-identification as animals is far more common than this latest case.

Furthermore, if a student at the above schools doesn't accept that someone can self-identify as a cat, is that opinion also considered hateful and should that student be punished for having that view?

Once you allow limitless self-identification, this is the kind of real-world problems that emerge as a direct consequence of its implications.

I’d also like to know what law the teacher was referring to? Did she suggest the child’s opinion was against the law?

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120745214#Comment_120745214

I assume it’s equality law, that recognises trans individuals.

The headline isn’t a deflection btw. The misleading nature of the headlines are FAR more disturbing than a single teacher giving out to two troublemaking students.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120745241#Comment_120745241

And what does the law say? People cannot believe there is only two genders? I don’t get why it’s relevant in the discussion they were have except to threaten and coerce.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120745274#Comment_120745274

Was that ever discussed here in relation to the Enoch Burke case? I thought it was school policy in that case but I guess the case was more related to his subsequent misconduct.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120745323#Comment_120745323

I assume that’s different as it’s an industrial dispute and Burke was an employee but that’s a whole other thread.

So did the teacher suggest the child could not have the opinion because of the law? She’s insane and should not be anywhere near kids.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120744742#Comment_120744742

Pfft. 🙄

What I'm saying is it's probably better to get your news from a source that isn't just a step up from a parody publication.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120745386#Comment_120745386

I only bring it up because of the similarities in the dispute- over how to deal with disagreements on the issues of trans/ multiple genders.

She may just been having a bad day. I think you'd have to look at her overall record. I think firing someone and preventing a teacher from ever working again over insulting a kid on one occasion would be the very definition of cancel culture. A suspension would suffice.