You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left - read OP

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614019#Comment_120614019

Yawn, 26 murders out of how many each year in the US ?

26000 murders in the last year so thats 1 in a thousand are white supremacists.

This is the biggest threat, really ?

Who is committing most of these murders ?

Heres a clue Overheal, it isnt white people.

If you know who is committing most murders, please get in touch with law enforcement, they don't even know.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unsolved-murders-crime-without-punishment/

You clearly have no evidentiary basis to exonerate "white people" from committing half of all murders.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614054#Comment_120614054

This post is precisely why the far-left are a threat to society.

Zoom out from the detail of this post and focus on the bigger picture: it's about pitting identity against identity (identity politics).

Rather than seeing people as people, it seeks to divide people up according to their identity group. And then it pits group against group (i.e. you're not a person, you're a "white" or a "black" or a "gay", all of whom are collectivised and who all have their own "privileges" or lack of equality and so on).

And that creates division within society. The whole point of the exercise to begin with.

So whilst we're debating the intricacies of their arguments, that's a front for the division that lurks underneath - which is the real point of the exercise. They want as much division as possible whilst at the same time pretending to yearn for unity and kindness.

Whilst everyone else is seeking to move on from racial and identity issues, the far-left seeks to weaponize it to divide society more and more and more. That makes it easier to shuttle communism in through the back door (when previously the division they sought to cause was by pitting people against each other based on worker's rights / capitalist class).

Their techniques are exactly the same. The only thing that has changed is the method.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614040#Comment_120614040

As the prosecutors office already stated, they found evidence that it was not misdemeanor shoplifting but felony robbery. They were 'clamoring for a murder charge,' he was arrested and they ran out their window of time to find enough to charge him on so they had to let him go.

If you're so selectively outraged about it I suggest you make another thread about it and we can discuss it in full depth.

"As a prosecutor, there is no tougher job than to have to review these types of cases and really make a determination that we know is going to disappoint a community and a family," Jenkins said. "In this particularly instance, this was a shoplifting that really -- based on the facts -- escalated into a robbery." 

Jenkins said that Jenkins ended up using lethal force, firing a single shot from his firearm that ultimately killed Banko Brown.

"We had to evaluate the video, the statement of the security guard, multiple witness statements to figure out whether or not there was a credible claim of self defense. And we ultimately did not believe we could prove beyond a reasonable doubt here that the security guard had committed murder or any other crime," Jenkins explained. 

She noted that in the surveillance video of the encounter, it was apparent that physical force, violence and threats of violence were used by Brown as he tried to exit the store and take the items in question. However, Jenkins noted that the only weapon found in the incident was the gun used by Anthony.

She also offered her condolences to Brown's family and the community surrounding him in the wake of his tragic death.

The District Attorney's office released a separate statement that read in part: 

"The evidence clearly shows that the suspect believed he was in mortal danger and acted in self-defense. We cannot bring forward charges when there is credible evidence of reasonable self-defense. Doing so would be unethical and create false hope for a successful prosecution. No matter the case, however, we must follow the law and the evidence, wherever it leads. We never make decisions based on emotions or what may be politically expedient."   

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-district-attorneys-office-releases-surveillance-video-in-banko-brown-shooting/

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/banko-brown-fatal-shooting-san-francisco-walgreens-security-guard-no-charges/

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614079#Comment_120614079

"Everyone I don't like is the boogeyman"

That's all I got out of that and the fact that you're suddenly upset when I quote the homicide closure rate is at or less than 50% and somehow that's 'dividing people up according to their identity group,' when the closure rate, isn't a measure of identity group whatsoever. 'dividing people up according to their identity group' was the purpose of the post trying to allege that 'whites don't make up 50% of all murders' - a post you seemingly gave a direct endorsement to.

If white supremacist is anyone's identity group here, you're on your own.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614115#Comment_120614115

I'm not going to play the identity politics / intersectionality-Marxist game.

It's a game created by the far-left; a game rigged in their favour, to pit one identity against another identity. The same people behind the Woke nonsense that now infects all major institutions across the Western world - from education to healthcare. It seeks to undo Martin Luther King's words that the content of one's character is what matters, not their identity group characteristics.

You can deflect all you wish, but the core part of my argument remains unchallenged.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614128#Comment_120614128

I'm not going to play the identity politics / intersectionality-Marxist game.

The **** you haven't already. "This post is precisely why the far-left are a threat to society." "So if anything, you've yet again proven my point re: the far-left agenda and how stories are weaponised to suit a specific narrative." etc.

And I don't even identify as such.

And you still do it in this post. Gas man.

the core part of my argument remains unchallenged.

If there is any core to your incoherent paranoid delusions about me it remains a mystery

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614135#Comment_120614135

I'll leave the Ad hominem remarks to one side.

You earlier mentioned Woke, asking me what it constituted, and how it acts as a danger to society.

Well only this month we had the latest case of threats against women's sport; in the form of Austin Killips, a transgender woman who won first prize for women at the Tour of the Gila, the premier road race in New Mexico.

Killips is also set to participate in the Tour de France and the Olympics.

It marked the most significant result yet for Killips, a trans-identifying biological male from Chicago, who also won a medal in women’s cyclo-cross at the US National Championships and who is now tipped to challenge for a place at the Tour de France Femmes and at next summer’s Paris Olympics.

This is what people mean by Woke. How the far-left are justifying the unjustifiable, and tearing sport apart.

You would presumably say that the above is about protecting minority rights. The rest of us can see how damaging this is to women and women's sport. And when we talk about women, we're talking about half the human population being forced to accept this nonsense down their throats.

Whatever you may call this, it's not a small issue.

And it only - and exclusively - is being pushed by aggressive far-left activists.

Everyone else can see how utterly wrong this is.

But the far-left don't care because all they want is to cause more and more and more and more...yes, you've guessed it: division.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614177#Comment_120614177

I see you're trying to deflect from what we were just discussing, even after you just lamented deflection:

"You can deflect all you wish, but the core part of my argument remains unchallenged."

Clearly you cannot prove, just as MisterAnarchy cannot, their assertions you endorsed that whites (a group they raised in defense themselves), or any group for that matter, don't comprise 50% of murders.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614185#Comment_120614185

Not at all. I'm merely defending the premise in the title of this thread.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614231#Comment_120614231

deflecting, got it. Still seeing a lack of proof for the claim, which only proves the core of my argument.

Flaneur OBrien

Goddamn lefties. Shrinking their height to make asian people feel comfortable.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/19/justin-trudeau-korea-wide-stance-photo-manner-legs

Snake Plisken

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120618168#Comment_120618168

Embarrassing but then again this is the same guy doing blackface in photo below so he has form. I'm sure you are happy to stand by the racist

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619581#Comment_120619581

Do you do context?

Snake Plisken

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619587#Comment_120619587

Do you? Article states that Canadians found it embarrassing if you look at his blackface gaff so not the first time Saint Trudeau had done something racially insensitive

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619589#Comment_120619589

Yes. I also research things. You should try it sometimes.

https://time.com/5680759/justin-trudeau-brownface-photo/?amp=true

Just wondering when was the last time someone on the right held their hands up and admitted they got somethings wrong and apologized for anything?

Flaneur OBrien

Here's the context you seemed to have missed out on in your rush to label him a racist.

Two leaders having the craic, while the Koreans seemed to have largely praised the gesture.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619602#Comment_120619602

Just wondering when was the last time someone on the right held their hands up and admitted they got somethings wrong and apologized for anything?

They wouldn't get a chance in sideways.

They'd be cancelled, labelled "racist" for life, and looked down upon as "hateful" pariahs of society.

Flaneur OBrien

SP has inadvertently made me think of something that really does show the difference between those on the right and left.

Now, I could be very wrong here. (No doubt someone will point how wrong I am!)

I noticed that those on the left hand side of the aisle have often apologized when they've done wrong, and how their supporters accept it and move on, as long as the apology is genuine, and the mistake is not repeated. There is an understanding especially that young people do stupid things and make mistakes (like Trudeau did), but it shouldn't necessarily track with them through life.

From my biased position on the left hand side of the aisle, I don't see the same from the right. Take SP's comment, "I'm sure you're happy to stand by the racist". Trudeau recognized his error "Yes it was (racist). I didn't consider it racism at the time, but now we know better", and apologized, the world moved on, except for those on the right that do not accept apologies.

It's probably why no one on the right (I'm trying to think of a time someone from the right made an actual apology) ever apologies for anything. As soon as they do, they confess to something, so they'll be labelled as that for ever. What's the point in apologizing if your supporters don't forgive?

I mean, just take Trump and being found liable for sexual assault. Was he contrite, did he apologise? No! He doubled down and said that it didn't happen! Even though he was found liable in court! Now, I do hope E. Jean Carroll takes him to court again, but I doubt she will as it probably won't be worth the stress to her. But it would be something if the judgement ruled that he had to admit his liability or be held in contempt.

But I do find it amusing that lefties can see mistakes can be made, but the person can reflect and change, whereas the right see an apology as a weird sort of weakness.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619631#Comment_120619631

I'm sure you can give me one example of this happening. An apology from someone on the right where they did wrong, admitted it, apologized, changed their behaviour and the left completely ignored it and labelled them whatever offence they committed.

Or, we could call what you posted a right wing paranoid fantasy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619668#Comment_120619668

It depends on what you mean by doing "wrong".

JK Rowling was set upon for apparently doing "wrong", when most people know she did nothing wrong at all.

Kathleen Stock, similarly.

The far-left doesn't seek forgive and forget, it seeks cancel and destroy. My signature sums it up.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619733#Comment_120619733

Well no, because JK (and her supporters) don't think they have done anything wrong by alienating trans people even though trans people are people and have rights.

(Forgive me, but I really don't want this to turn into yet another trans thread)

I don't know who Kathleen Stock is.

The closest I've found is a Florida Senator who apologized for calling trans individuals "demons" on the floor, but they still pushed through a bathroom bill, so not exactly contrite or actually accepting of trans individuals 😁😁

Trans issues are difficult, as some people don't recognize trans as an actual real thing and just frame it as some sort of attack on women, but I have yet to see them come out against Trans men, which just bangs of misogyny (won't someone think of the little women!)

Anyway, what about financial irregularities/stealing? That's pretty black and white. Can you find a right-winger that apologized for stealing/financial irregularities and not only apologized, but recognized the error of their ways and did something about it? And that the left still call a thief or go on about their financial irregularities?

Or is what you posted still a right wing paranoid fantasy?

Burty330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619668#Comment_120619668

There's no denying Trudeau's mistake because there is photographic evidence of it. There's isn't a single soul that would deny he wore blackface. That's not comparable to Trumps case when a jury decided , not proved he was liable for sexual assault. Trump has no reason to apologise for something a small handful of Democrats decided he did. Sexual assault falls under criminal law , not civil law. Carroll could never win this case in a criminal court , not ever. It is not possible because there is zeo evidence and zero witnesses. You want to condemn a man of a serious crime with zero proof , a lot of people are happy to. A sad reflection of society. And remember nobody on the left believed Paula Jones and Tara Reade.

What about Sean Penn? Zelenskys best buddy , philtronipist and Democrat role model. He never apologized for hitting Madonna on the head with a bat and forcing her headfirst into an oven.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619922#Comment_120619922

Can you think of any right wing folk who meet the criteria of:

Recognizing an error

Apologizing unreservedly

Making amends

Not making the same mistake again

Lefties not letting it go

Because all you're doing is deflection. I'm trying to figure out if what was previously said about left wingers not letting it go is true or is it a right wing paranoia fantasy?

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619922#Comment_120619922

This is a hilarious irony.

I didn't answer about Sean Penn because I don't do celebrity gossip.

But I'm on a bus, with a bit of time to kill and what I found is

www.theguardian.com/film/2016/may/04/lee-daniels-apologizes-sean-penn-allegations-abuse-madonna

Have a read.

She withdrew the allegation. So here we have YOU condemning a man of a serious crime with not just zero proof, but a statement from the other party saying it did not happen.

A sad reflection on society indeed.

Now, have the 3 of you thought of a right winger who realized they were wrong, apologised unreservedly, made amends, didn't repeat the mistake AND who the left still villify on the original charge? Or are we still talking deluded paranoid right wing malarkey?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619733#Comment_120619733

JKR is not a Republican politician. He knew you couldn’t do it.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619922#Comment_120619922

Suddenly you have a problem with jury trials and the rules of civil procedure? 🤣

Burty330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620081#Comment_120620081

Actually she withdrew the charges. This statement is from 2015 when some guy compared Penn to woman hitter Terrence Howard.

In the 1980's Madonna filled charges and Penn was charged with felony domestic assault. She then asked the DA to drop the charges. I don't recall condemning the man , only pointed out what has been known about him for a long time. Its been a long time and I only had a vague memory of the details. Looking into it further finds there are witnesses to Madonna's facial injuries. You can read below and make up your own mind

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-penns-horrifying-history-of-alleged-abuse?ref=scroll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619704#Comment_120619704

Melanie Phillips is formerly a creature of the political left, having previously worked for left-wing outlets such as The Guardian.

She found herself having certain opinions which were previously considered perfectly acceptable within left-wing circles, but that she was being driven out and had to leave because of what the left was metamorphosing into.

I came across this video recently, in which she perfectly encapsulates that reason is being destroyed at the altar of far-left ideology; and how evidence and certain facts are at best considered inconvenient and at worst, heretical.

So whilst you are framing the matter as if the far-left are somehow sympathetic, open and tolerant, the actual truth of the matter could not be further from the characterisation you've attempted to put forward. Abusive, intolerant, censorious, and self-righteous.

Not the ridiculous "forgive and forget" attitude you've tried to defend.

But as I say, Melanie Phillips put it far better than I could here. And having been far-left for a considerable period of time, I think her opinion has a certain weight to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL8gw1T3yo0

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620299#Comment_120620299

Sorry, I'm not in a position to watch a video, but she sounds wonderful...

Maybe you can point out where she

Recognized she had made an error in judgement

Apologised unreservedly

Made amends

Didn't repeat the mistake

And where the left still villified her for her original error in judgement.

Or maybe what you posted was a right wing paranoid fantasy?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619733#Comment_120619733

Did either of those people apologise and change their behaviour?