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USA 2024 presidential election

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    It was overturned by the undemocratic SCOTUS who ordered to count to stop when Bush was marginally ahead.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,613 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Provided you survived childhood diseases, violence and were rich enough not to starve you could expect a longer life than the poor today.

    https://biblehub.com/psalms/90-10.htm


    Still can't get over that healthcare isn't the #1 issue in this or any US election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,620 ✭✭✭eire4


    You are correct. But even after the recount was stopped by the undemocratic supreme court Gore still had won by about half a percent but that vote was overturned by the flat out anti democratic electoral college in favour of the election loser Bush.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,115 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    What is the point of calling them the "undemocratic" supreme court?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    They were undemocratic in that they stopped the count of votes before all the votes were counted in Florida when the outcome was not beyond doubt.

    That is not within their powers, and so was undemocratic. The American voting is sacrosanct in as far as every vote is counted. That is why USA citizens are granted votes which are counted. Results are declared when the result is beyond doubt.

    Democracy is defined differently in every country, but the key is that the rules as they maybe are followed. In this case they were not.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Nikki is done and so is the GOP primary if it wasn't months ago!

    Firstly once the indictments rolled in that was that for this primary as a contest, but still absolutely dumbfounded that so many serious people literally learned nothing from 2016 and Trump. They looked at Trump 8 years ago then and backed Rubio when the only serious alternative to Trump was Cruz who was much more in touch with the voters for better or worse.

    RDS tried to unite the Trump fans,skeptics and haters and it obviously did not work out. Haley on the other hand seemed to be hoping Trump would drop out and she would win by default. LOL.

    The less said about the Dem primary the better, Dean Phillips has thrown away a solid political career to get retweeted occasionally by the Elon Musk crowd. LOL



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Was reading about that the other day. A study was done later on that shows that Gore would have won if there was a statewide recount. However, for the limited recount he asked for, Bush would still have come out on top. The whole thing stunk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    John Roberts, Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh did good work as lawyers for Bush in Bush V. Gore.


    Funny how these things work out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Roberts has been a key architect in the destruction of American democracy



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2



    RFK has picked his VP. She is absolutely loaded which was clearly something he was looking for judging by the other names floated as ballot access costs millions which he doesn't have easy access to. Unsure bar that what she brings to the ticket though, not gone down well with the more Trumpy voters who initially liked him it seems.



    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/26/robert-kennedy-nicole-shanahan-running-mate-00149150

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    RFKjr is just a tool for the GQP backers to poach voters from Biden. He has zero chance. He's an anti-vax freak. His family disowns him. But, money and commercials. This airhead VP, whose main qualification is she divorced Sergey Brin and got a lot of money for him, will hang around for the lolz and spend some of her unearned income.


    Too bad, really, her bio seems boring enough but bright lights/big city I expect and dumb enough to think RFK, JR is the way to those.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,434 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Just reading about her and I think I see why she was drawn to RFK:




    So basically another person who can't handle the fact that their child is neurodivergent and is desperately trying to find a source of blame for they were "cheated" out of having a "perfect" child.

    Naomi Klein, herself the parent of an autistic child, talks in detail about these sorts of people in her recent book Doppelganger. They're rife in the community of parents of autistic children - especially amongst the wealthy/professional class. They can't accept their children as they are and instead spend their energy either on quack cures or searching for someone to blame. Shanahan is just going doing that same thing but on a billionaire level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Surely he'd be poaching votes from Trump though? Can't see a lot of overlap between Democrat voters and those who RFKjr would appeal to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Don't underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. There's a tiny percentage that think "Kennedy == Democrat." And an additional percentage that think 'protest vote.' So, Kennedy will poach votes from Biden primarily; the extremist loony toon anti-vax types that would vote for Kennedy wouldn't vote for Biden anyway, and might not vote for TFG. Not much different than the Bernie Bros who stayed away in protest against HRC and helped give the election to Trump.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,434 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    There's this left wing, alternative health, yoga-Mom, Woo-Woo demographic that would never vote for Trump but went down a rabbit hole during lockdown and will vote for RFK because of his stance on vaccines and "clean living*"

    *ironically enough this doesn't seem to extend to the human growth hormone that he appears to be dosing himself with



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,620 ✭✭✭eire4


    We will see in time but I don't think he will have any impact on the outcome of the election. There is no clear evidence to say he will for sure take voters more so from a Democrat or a Republican.

    As for Sanders voters who stayed away lets not forget Clinton still did actually win that election. She won by about 2% but because the US is not a full democracy and they have an electoral college decide who becomes president that election result was overturned by the electoral college.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,333 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The big issue is how little it takes to swing a US presidential election. Biden won Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin each by a margin of less than 1%. Had he lost all 3 of those states he would have lost the election.

    The vote Jill Stein got in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin in 2016 for a "Green Party" candidate that in the end put a coal lobbyist in charge of the EPA is testament to this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And Ralph Nader gave us GWB.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,620 ✭✭✭eire4


    Well actually the electoral college again gave us Bush. Gore won the election albeit by 0.5% but he won yet once again because the US is not a full democracy the vote of the election was over turned by the undemocratic electoral college. Never mind the corruption involved in what happened in Florida.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I hope Key Bridge, Baltimore does not give us Trump.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,434 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    The Arizona Supreme court has ruled that a 160 year old law banning abortion is valid and will be enacted in 2 weeks time.

    If this persists that will be a massive boon for Democrats in November's Presidential and Senate elections in the state as it's the sort of thing that will infuriate a lot of women, especially, in that state:



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,434 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    It doesn't seem like the Republican's in the Arizona state legislature are for turning:

    Trump clearly sees the danger for himself in all of this:



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Biden still hasn't moved to replace DeJoy as head of the USPS. Not only is that a failure to protect a Constitutionally mandated service from destruction at the hands of someone with a vested interest in its demise, it's always a really dumb move politically, given the importance of mail in voting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,434 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    For the record, Arizona is crucial because if Biden wins it then he could lose Georgia, Nevada and Wisconsin and still win

    Simply put it takes away many paths for Trump to win amongst Biden's tightest victories from 2020



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Trump tbf has been nervous regarding the parties hard liners stance on abortion and has at times has hammered them but if they don't abandon him then can you blame him?

    The "pro lifers" had a choice between RDS who signed a 6 week abortion ban and Trump who said it was to harsh and they overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

    Regarding Arizona the GOP has been a mess their for a while, they did ok in 2022 but the big races they have lost. Unfortunately for them as the "sane" Republicans abandon ship the MAGA loons are in charge thus why they are a joke.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,620 ✭✭✭eire4


    Interesting. I didn't know that an Arizona win for Biden would give him such "room for maneuver" so to speak. Lets hope the fact that the state Republicans are doubling down on this prime example of authoritarianism proves decisive in Bidens favour.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,373 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Brutal analysis of Trump by Lawrence O'Donnell before his upcoming trial.



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