Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

The whole country did indeed know that rates were a pull for Ukrainian refugees but it’s not by accident that nothing was done about it for a long time. The government actually wanted to be seen as more generous, more accommodating than anyone else. They wanted pats on the back and praise. They just didn’t expect the level of uptake

Never forget that they played fast and loose with Irish tax payer money to make themselves look like the nice guys of Europe. And then called you racist and far right when you questioned it

They're doing it already.

They reduced the benefits for new arrivals and I think they either have done it for existing ones already or will be doing.

If we use Dundrum in Co. Tipperary as an example, the government are kicking the Ukrainians out to get the benefit tourists in.

Give me the Ukrainians over the alternative that's coming in any day of the week..

So the likely scenario is settled Ukrainian families will move on and people will have unvetted males moving into replace them?

I doubt they can just be placed into houses, but this whole thing is so bizarre I could be wrong.

Listened to that, some CEO from Doras NGO on aswell. Desperately trying to disprove Simon's assertation that migration is adding to pressures. Between slicing pies and slicing slices they more or less showed that refugees have increased pressure on housing as they've jumped from 6.7% to 29.2% of new additions to waiting lists over the past twelve months. Very nervous performance by Kitty Holland who is normally like a casino employee dealing out the racist card every chance she gets.

Overall the two of them were trying to downplay it as much as possible. Nobody brought on to counter their arguments - so ten minutes of free reign on prime time radio to push their narrative - all the while Cuddihy never challenged either of them. I could imagine him like a nodding donkey in the studio agreeing to it all.

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Great take by Clifford.

Take 2023, the last year for which we have full statistics. In that year a total of 141,500 people came into the country. Of those 29,600 were returning Irish citizens. Another 26,100 were EU citizens and 4,800 from the UK. 

Around 40,000 more were fleeing the war in Ukraine and that year the government issued 30,981 work permits. There was a total of 13,277 applications for protection in 2023, less than 10% of all the people who arrived in the state. 

Yet that is the focus these days of what is described as “immigration”. (The number of international protection applicants has increased this year, but so also has the number of work permits issued so far, up by over 20%, according to government figures).

There is an issue around asylum seekers who are granted protection. When this cohort leaves direct provision it is increasingly difficult to find accommodation. As a result many are reduced to emergency measures which categorise them as homeless. 

But to suggest that this is the serious matter in the context of a crisis that has been ongoing for over a decade is to drive the art of deflection onto new, open prairies.

So you agree then - immigration either via passport, work permit or asylum does put pressure on services including housing.

Good to know.

Its always funny how the pro endless migration crowd appear to struggle with simple maths.

As the site is broken I'm trying to spend as little time as possible browsing so apologies if already posted. This is a major reason we need a zero refugee policy.

On RTE Radio-1 late debate just now:
44% of the people on the Dublin housing list are foreigners.

Total number of DH list: 13000 (sept2023)

Median house price Dublin: €330000

Total cost to house foreigners in Dublin: €1.9billion

This would be mostly immigrants not refugees so Harris is 100% right correlating the two. However refugees eventually become immigrants and are going to directly add this.

A zero refugee policy now Will greatly help solve this issue down the line.

It's not just new builds either - LA's are buying anything they can at this point and placing social housing tenants into them.

On my own row of 4 townhouses, 3 have been sold over the last 6 years to the council. 2 are currently occupied, and the 3rd is undergoing refurbishment after some of our own "minority group" abandoned it a while back.

I dread to think who they'll put in there next - of course it won't be an issue for me long term as my LL is selling up and while I struggle to afford to save and buy on my own yet, at least it's nice to know my taxes are being put to good use! (/sarcasm) and indeed to outbid me on properties that do come up for sale.

Completely unsustainable population growth and with so many refugees relocating here (from other safe countries) it will balloon further with family reunification.

They spent decades blaming European countries that had colonies for the state of their economies

But it’s been 60-70 years of independence for most countries on this continent and in many cases they are much worse off now and the populations are tripping over themselves to get into Europe

Also notice how none of these are in any hurry to get into BRICS countries (whose populations also emigrating to decadent west en masse for some reason)

And no better parties to p*ss that up against the wall than FF and FG.

Well apple wouldn’t be here in first place if it wasn’t for those two, so there is that I guess

The Greens and Sinn Fein are actively hostile to businesses

But that’s going off on a tangent

At this stage its clear you are not capable of seeing the fallacy of your own position. You basically ignored everything said to go on another solo run. You completely ignore the fact that our immigration systems are easily abused and so they are - but that does not matter because… tax money. You continually cry about needed immigrants for the HSE etc, but conveniently ignore that uncontrolled immigration undermines the same health systems. The same with the economy, uncontrolled growth leads to all sorts of issues. Living in a multicultural world doesn’t negate the need for management of immigration, rather that the free for all you seem to be willing to accept because to do anything about it might upset people.

I guess as usual because you said it it must be right. Thank god you are not in charge of anything important.

I will repeat for you for the 4th? time… weak men create hard times.