Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Lotus Flower

Additionally, four staff members had not had their garda vetting checks updated and management had not completed international police checks for two staff members. 

Similarly, no staff member who lived abroad for six months or more at the Temple Accommodation Centre in Co Westmeath had an international police check carried out on them by management. 

Staff need vetting and international police checks but residents with no passport or checks are allowed in. Make it make sense

Gen.Zhukov

Could be a good time for a refresher on one of the best articles written on this utter shambles in a long time. There isn't a so-called journalist in the Irish msm that would be allowed to write anything close to that - Expect John Mooney's articles to be banned by FG and a bill rushed through the Dail under new 'Hurty FG articles' legislation

"No one knows what Roderic O’Gorman, the integration minister, was thinking when he began tweeting about his plans to reform the immigration system in early 2021 but staff [the usual suspects] at the International Protection Office (IPO) were aghast."

https://archive.is/EfdEL

All signed off at cabinet level just to retain power for a few more years - irrespective of the damage to, and the financial cost to the country that this would invariably bring - It's the closest thing to treason I've ever seen

Jeff2

There was an interesting show on RTE junior tonight about this. I believe it was made by Vergin Media 4.

It showed Paul Murphy using Dail privilege to name 5 or 6 people who posted online about immigration. It only made them more popular.

I can't find on a stream player.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/08/30/record-number-of-asylum-seekers-awaiting-accommodation/

It’s just beyond ridiculous that we’re still carrying on as if we can take limitless number of people, will we ever get real? Something’s gotta give

dublin49

mea culpa

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564754#Comment_122564754

Wheres your (checkbook), i mean humanity man, 😭 have you got no more funds I mean "care" to give. The fun really begins when the money tree dies. Just remember WHO was in favor of all this. Retired at taxpayers expense or new job prolly related to such.

Maybe at that stage the hate speech law will have censored it all. Cause thats the law. This forum will be banned by then 🤣

CollyFlower

A gathering is planned for September 17 at the Spire, aiming to bring together 100,000 people to push for the government's dissolution. Can that many people really make a difference and bring about the government's dissolution?

Jeff2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564774#Comment_122564774

The people leading this will move on to their beloved EU jobs and not bothered about their own Irish people. I guarantee you that.

They are setup for life.

Problem is there is no other party to vote for that will stop importing illegal people.

dublin49

Problem is there is no other party to vote for that will stop importing illegal people.

100% this and all the the far right cat calling is to hide or subdue the growing evidence they have lost the dressing room but are doubling down on their out dated woke agenda rather than legislate to reflect the current majority view among the electorate.

CollyFlower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563511#Comment_122563511

"under the program, a four-person family with children under five can receive up to $350 per week, or about $18,200 a year, according to published news reports" they're still getting free accommodation on top of that.

https://council.nyc.gov/joseph-borelli/2024/07/03/nyc-to-spend-millions-on-new-round-of-pre-paid-debit-cards-for-migrants/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564151#Comment_122564151

Almost certain to be a major scandal in the years to come.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563533#Comment_122563533

The tweets were clearly aimed at people already living in Direct Provision in Ireland. The idea that asylum seekers started coming to Ireland in 2023 from countries thousands of miles away on the back of some tweets from a little known cabinet minister two years earlier is clearly nonsense.

How come the anti-immigration / tricolour crowd didn't even notice these tweets in February 2021? The fact that they were busy rioting in summer 2021 in Dublin and attacking the Gardai may have been a factor - they hadn't even moved on from their Covid and lockdown conspiracies at that point.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564890#Comment_122564890

I think you need to read that article posted by @Gen.Zhukov

smurf492

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564647#Comment_122564647

African lads beat on Irish lads then the inevitable retaliation...our own ethnically protected people have been doing the same for decades

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122565339#Comment_122565339

Can you provide a link for that please?

Montage of Feck

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/germany-deportations-afghanistan-risks-government-becoming-accomplice-taliban-1

Amnesty not happy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564829#Comment_122564829

The government will be dissolved in November anyway, and subsequently reelected.

Beasty

Jeff2 threadbanned

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122563439#Comment_122563439

What's happening in Germany is very interesting. They are finally taken measures to deal with issues over immigration. The reason for this is obvious. Germany is a year from a general election and their political establishment are scared sh1tless of AfD.

In Ireland the situation couldn't be more different. A permanent FF/FG government means the immigration will go on and on.

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122569833#Comment_122569833

They have ramped up deportations in the last few years, it's not uncommon for them to carry out raids on fluctlings heims as they call them and take away individuals for deportation, an action which wouldn't fly here.. It all helps in funneling them towards the UK and here with scandanavian countries also tightening up while our government continues to be shamefully reactive instead of proactive Allways behind the curve to the absolute detriment of the citizens

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564911#Comment_122564911

I did but wouldn't agree with its conclusion that the big jump in asylum claims from early 2022 onwards was because of O'Gorman's tweets. The key factor here was surely the lifting of Covid restrictions and international air travel opening up again. That Times article offers no evidence of any description of a direct link between the tweets and the increased arrivals a year or two year later - they just throw out the proposition that the tweets were posted and asylum claims rose 12-18 months later (when the two mightn't even be linked, we have no way of knowing).

RoyalCelt

The AFD may have won in that region but it'll be different in "west" Germany although I still expect them to grow. By the time next year's national election rolls around they could grow further.

Obviously the government has begun deportations because they don't want to hemorrhage support to the right. In the sense of illegal immigration and refugees the AFD will be good for Europe but in other aspects I can't discuss in this thread they'll be bad.

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122572365#Comment_122572365

You still haven't named the countries that you claimed are deporting parents for the sins of their children.

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122572301#Comment_122572301

- they [The Times] just throw out the proposition that the tweets were posted and asylum claims rose 12-18 months later 

Of all papers, I really don't think The Times are prone to 'throwing out propositions' - You don't think that The Times would do the due diligence required and have trusted sources that have consistently been proved accurate and reliable over the years before publishing an article?

They're not a mickey mouse university student publication Straz, like you're implying

'No one knows what Roderic O’Gorman, the integration minister, was thinking when he began tweeting about his plans to reform the immigration system in early 2021 but staff at the International Protection Office (IPO) were aghast.'

Why were the staff aghast?

'They [the IPO staff] were concerned about O’Gorman’s decision to translate his plans into multiple languages including the Georgian language, offering to provide asylum seekers with their “own-door” accommodation and “wrap-around supports, healthcare and education” on social media without having the infrastructure or finance to support it.'

Why were the staff at the IPO concerned Straz? - Or are you saying that The Times are lying and if that is the case, have you contacted them about this and what did they say?

'A year after the O’Gorman tweets and McEntee’s amnesty announcement, the numbers jumped to 13,651 in 2022.'

Cause and effect I'd call it -

I have to hand it to ya though - If mental gymnastics were an Olympic sport, you'd be in an open-topped bus going down O'Connell Street

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122561863#Comment_122561863

So, I'm the one claiming superiority on a thread where people do nothing but talk about how others are traitorous, treacherous, woke Leftie liberals who hate Ireland? Or about how the government is so stupid and there are easy solutions that we just refuse to implement?

I mean, you said it in your own post — you lauded the German proposal and then went on to complain about how lefties make it out to be all so difficult and impossible. That is the arrogance that is inherent on this thread day in day out — the people who disagree with you are just Lefties who obfuscate the easy paths. And you say I'm acting superior, when you summarily dismiss the views of others?

The point of my response to you — which you seem mystified by — was to point out to you that these little measures here and there should not be applauded at every turn because they fail to actually address the fundamental issue at hand. In fact — you haven't even disputed any of the argument I put forward as to why the logic, or at least the effectiveness, of the German proposals doesn't really seem to get us anywhere.

So yes, let's all stop being Lefties who make everything out to be impossible and let's copy the Germans. Let's clamp down on asylum seekers by......offering them food and shelter. That's really tough and that will absolutely deter people.

Yvonne007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564890#Comment_122564890

The "tricolour crowd"??

Have we really gotten to the stage where you view people displaying a tricolour as a negative thing?

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122562225#Comment_122562225

Ah yes, "virtue signalling" — another term spouted out to dismiss the sincerity or rationale of the views of others. And yet I'm the one acting superior apparently.

Anyway, I find your logic odd here in that you seem to take the view that those who make the migration journey using money for flights etc must invariably be doing alright for themselves if they can afford it. Are we to presume that you just wholesale dismiss the possibility that people save for these flights over periods of time or simply gather the money from somewhere, like wider family, on the basis that getting to Europe etc may well be the primary ambition of their life? For many of them, this will be the one thing they dedicate all their efforts and every penny they own to. You seem to view it almost like its just disposable income they are spending on getting to Europe, when it could well be the case that its their life savings.

Secondly, you also seem to just dismiss the fact that we already know what the major channels of illegal migration into Europe by land and sea are. We know that the migrants using these channels are willing to take enormous risks to follow these paths and clearly do not have the means to take less risky paths.

But in either case, what you don't seem to address is that — whether they have more money or less money, whether you put them in the Shelbourne or the place in Dundrum they apparently aren't happy about, neither situation presents a scenario where there is really anything to lose. You shoot your shot getting to Europe and worst case scenario, after roughing it for however long, you'll at least get fed, watered and sheltered and you'll be somewhere relatively secure. It's not really as tough as it sounds.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122572556#Comment_122572556

It should go without saying, but any person seeking IP (or recently granted status) who took part in that wanton display of violence should face instant deportation. It shouldn't even be questioned. This government have the power to remove unsuitable people like this, but they choose not to use it.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122564002#Comment_122564002

Exactly. And at that point, when you actively commence a policy of depriving asylum seekers of any food and shelter, then we will see if the common sense, hard logic Right really is all that different from the emotional, sentimental, woke Lefties — when it comes to sustaining a policy like that over many years.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122568619#Comment_122568619

If Amnesty International are unhappy, then this is a good thing.