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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    I think they probably never saw the tweets myself but obviously the traffickers, relevant NGOs etc got them and similar to the American/ Yukon gold rushes, news travelled fast(and that was before there was instant messaging) and here we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    this was done in New York - the card had a hefty enough balance on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    So wait, it’s not the fault of the person who posted the ill advised tweets, it’s the fault of the ‘usual suspects’ for highlighting them? That makes no sense. They were posted on Twitter for a reason. He wanted a wide audience



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Should have been a thing for the get go….you cannot be an asylum seeker 'fleeing persecution' and get to shop around for the best deal you can get

    Shows it up for what it is, 99% are economic migrants and it appears to be common knowledge among the policy makers who let it happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    If they still come, stop offering bed, bread and soup.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Seems to be serious issues where even those granted asylum appear to be given the boot into homelessness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Additionally, four staff members had not had their garda vetting checks updated and management had not completed international police checks for two staff members. 

    Similarly, no staff member who lived abroad for six months or more at the Temple Accommodation Centre in Co Westmeath had an international police check carried out on them by management. 

    Staff need vetting and international police checks but residents with no passport or checks are allowed in. Make it make sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Could be a good time for a refresher on one of the best articles written on this utter shambles in a long time. There isn't a so-called journalist in the Irish msm that would be allowed to write anything close to that - Expect John Mooney's articles to be banned by FG and a bill rushed through the Dail under new 'Hurty FG articles' legislation

    "No one knows what Roderic O’Gorman, the integration minister, was thinking when he began tweeting about his plans to reform the immigration system in early 2021 but staff [the usual suspects] at the International Protection Office (IPO) were aghast."

    https://archive.is/EfdEL

    All signed off at cabinet level just to retain power for a few more years - irrespective of the damage to, and the financial cost to the country that this would invariably bring - It's the closest thing to treason I've ever seen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,509 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    There was an interesting show on RTE junior tonight about this. I believe it was made by Vergin Media 4.

    It showed Paul Murphy using Dail privilege to name 5 or 6 people who posted online about immigration. It only made them more popular.

    I can't find on a stream player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/08/30/record-number-of-asylum-seekers-awaiting-accommodation/

    It’s just beyond ridiculous that we’re still carrying on as if we can take limitless number of people, will we ever get real? Something’s gotta give



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭dublin49


    mea culpa

    Post edited by dublin49 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Wheres your (checkbook), i mean humanity man, 😭 have you got no more funds I mean "care" to give. The fun really begins when the money tree dies. Just remember WHO was in favor of all this. Retired at taxpayers expense or new job prolly related to such.

    Maybe at that stage the hate speech law will have censored it all. Cause thats the law. This forum will be banned by then 🤣

    Post edited by Mr. teddywinkles on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    A gathering is planned for September 17 at the Spire, aiming to bring together 100,000 people to push for the government's dissolution. Can that many people really make a difference and bring about the government's dissolution?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,509 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    The people leading this will move on to their beloved EU jobs and not bothered about their own Irish people. I guarantee you that.

    They are setup for life.

    Problem is there is no other party to vote for that will stop importing illegal people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭dublin49


    Problem is there is no other party to vote for that will stop importing illegal people.

    100% this and all the the far right cat calling is to hide or subdue the growing evidence they have lost the dressing room but are doubling down on their out dated woke agenda rather than legislate to reflect the current majority view among the electorate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    "under the program, a four-person family with children under five can receive up to $350 per week, or about $18,200 a year, according to published news reports" they're still getting free accommodation on top of that.

    https://council.nyc.gov/joseph-borelli/2024/07/03/nyc-to-spend-millions-on-new-round-of-pre-paid-debit-cards-for-migrants/



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    Almost certain to be a major scandal in the years to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,274 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The tweets were clearly aimed at people already living in Direct Provision in Ireland. The idea that asylum seekers started coming to Ireland in 2023 from countries thousands of miles away on the back of some tweets from a little known cabinet minister two years earlier is clearly nonsense.

    How come the anti-immigration / tricolour crowd didn't even notice these tweets in February 2021? The fact that they were busy rioting in summer 2021 in Dublin and attacking the Gardai may have been a factor - they hadn't even moved on from their Covid and lockdown conspiracies at that point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭smurf492


    African lads beat on Irish lads then the inevitable retaliation...our own ethnically protected people have been doing the same for decades



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭downthemiddle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The government will be dissolved in November anyway, and subsequently reelected.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Jeff2 threadbanned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    What's happening in Germany is very interesting. They are finally taken measures to deal with issues over immigration. The reason for this is obvious. Germany is a year from a general election and their political establishment are scared sh1tless of AfD.

    In Ireland the situation couldn't be more different. A permanent FF/FG government means the immigration will go on and on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    They have ramped up deportations in the last few years, it's not uncommon for them to carry out raids on fluctlings heims as they call them and take away individuals for deportation, an action which wouldn't fly here.. It all helps in funneling them towards the UK and here with scandanavian countries also tightening up while our government continues to be shamefully reactive instead of proactive Allways behind the curve to the absolute detriment of the citizens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,274 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I did but wouldn't agree with its conclusion that the big jump in asylum claims from early 2022 onwards was because of O'Gorman's tweets. The key factor here was surely the lifting of Covid restrictions and international air travel opening up again. That Times article offers no evidence of any description of a direct link between the tweets and the increased arrivals a year or two year later - they just throw out the proposition that the tweets were posted and asylum claims rose 12-18 months later (when the two mightn't even be linked, we have no way of knowing).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,262 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The AFD may have won in that region but it'll be different in "west" Germany although I still expect them to grow. By the time next year's national election rolls around they could grow further.

    Obviously the government has begun deportations because they don't want to hemorrhage support to the right. In the sense of illegal immigration and refugees the AFD will be good for Europe but in other aspects I can't discuss in this thread they'll be bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    You still haven't named the countries that you claimed are deporting parents for the sins of their children.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    - they [The Times] just throw out the proposition that the tweets were posted and asylum claims rose 12-18 months later 

    Of all papers, I really don't think The Times are prone to 'throwing out propositions' - You don't think that The Times would do the due diligence required and have trusted sources that have consistently been proved accurate and reliable over the years before publishing an article?

    They're not a mickey mouse university student publication Straz, like you're implying

    'No one knows what Roderic O’Gorman, the integration minister, was thinking when he began tweeting about his plans to reform the immigration system in early 2021 but staff at the International Protection Office (IPO) were aghast.'

    Why were the staff aghast?

    'They [the IPO staff] were concerned about O’Gorman’s decision to translate his plans into multiple languages including the Georgian language, offering to provide asylum seekers with their “own-door” accommodation and “wrap-around supports, healthcare and education” on social media without having the infrastructure or finance to support it.'

    Why were the staff at the IPO concerned Straz? - Or are you saying that The Times are lying and if that is the case, have you contacted them about this and what did they say?

    'A year after the O’Gorman tweets and McEntee’s amnesty announcement, the numbers jumped to 13,651 in 2022.'

    Cause and effect I'd call it -

    I have to hand it to ya though - If mental gymnastics were an Olympic sport, you'd be in an open-topped bus going down O'Connell Street



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