Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122123720#Comment_122123720

I simultaneously agree and disagree with you.

The phrase "Run with the hare and hunt with the hounds" comes to mind

I think we may be approaching the issue from different perspectives and the exchange reflects that

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122123804#Comment_122123804

Yes and we should take them as best we can

No it doesn't but it does put structures in place that are orderly and allowed them be returned to an orderly system to be processed in a fair and efficient manner

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125431#Comment_122125431

It is you who is perpetually lying about the children being deported, your own article specifically says they were not subject of deportation orders

If you want to castigate someone you should castigate the illegally claiming bogus asylum seeking parents as they as guardians would have been the ones who brought them out of the country

Saying how is "irrelevant" undermines the rule of law, if you think this then we don't need the rule of law to deport anyone and can just collar anyone we like and excommunicate them from the state

This is quite blatantly false and you are perpetuating a lie saying so

Stop lying

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122124354#Comment_122124354

If you use your knowledge to quote an aspect fron the provided reference where you think there is racism that would answer the contributors question

Otherwise you're blanking dismissing a reference without debate which is a bigoted position

whatever.

There there was a posting about Somalis in the UK displacing people to gain social housing but I've lost it and can only see replys to it now.

It described how they would claim to be single parents but then have multiple children to rise to the top of the list

Typically in countries that have a mature and balanced asylum policy social services are restricted to humanitarian grounds. Asylum seekers are restricted from accessing services that might displace lawful residents. This includes social housing

You might be familiar with this approach unknowingly, if you have ever seen a position advertised with a disclaimer about equality of opportunity but restrictions to citizens and permanent residents only you have seen this policy in action

It would be very wise if we adopted such an approach and started to remove asylum seekers from hotels and place them in more appropriate state land accommodation even if that was dependent on camp facilities

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125309#Comment_122125309

Except it very very likely wouldn't, it wants to stop another country exiting the EU, and immigration is an EU wide issue at the moment.

marno21

https://www.newstalk.com/news/state-funding-ngos-that-provide-tents-for-asylum-seekers-ogorman-1724349

Interview from yesterday's Anton Savage show.

Beyond daft that this useless **** has lasted 4 years in that Department. He is completely out of his depth. No control whatsoever of his brief.

Cluedo Monopoly

Have the government announced where these 6 reception centres will be located or when that detailed plan will be announced? I doubt they will do any of that before the elections.

tom23

why should he care it’s taxpayer’s monopoly money… he doesn’t exactly give the square root of six **** about wasting money. But you’re right about one thing he is a clown.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128619#Comment_122128619

After that performance, you can really see why he hides away from these interviews. It was hardly a grilling too

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125425#Comment_122125425

It's not that I think the EU aren't coming at us harder because of 'kindness', I think there's a cost/benefit aspect on their side.

While they might be restricted for now directly on harmonisation and IP, I think there's a lot they could do on other tax practices. Our r&d tax credits, and other IDA supports are a big part of the package we offer to MNCs. I think it's no coincidence we raised the credit rate by 5% as oecd harmonisation raised the overall corporate tax rate by 2.5%

I think there's a lot of scope for the EU to clamp down on these practices within existing legislation, as well as looking at overall headquartering rules. Were we to challenge the migration pact, which looks very important, if not critical to the EUs future, I think the urgency to pursue us on these matters would change significantly.

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128700#Comment_122128700

Mentioned in Anton Savage show that Thornton Hall would be a ‘tent city’ with all facilities (medical etc)

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125445#Comment_122125445

2 and 4 year old children aren't capable of exercising those options. QED they were deported.

From the article it would seem the mother also wasn't given any opportunity to provide guardianship alternatives during the deportation raid.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/28/theobserver

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128748#Comment_122128748

Might be time to quit while you're behind on this one, so many holes to this theoretical EU nonsense. Conspiracy territory.

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128768#Comment_122128768

Fabulous. Instead of using that site for the purpose it was acquired for, to build a badly needed prison , it may now be used to accommodate illegal asylum seekers.

Meanwhile the scum of Ireland will continue to roam the streets on their 100+ suspended sentences.

And Paddy taxpayer will fund all of this, and get nothing in return.

Sounds great.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128815#Comment_122128815

Turning it into a tent city will cause obvious problems come winter. We know we will get extended wet periods turning it into a hell hole. Also, just because the last few winters have been mild there is this fallacy that there will be no more cold winters in Ireland. If we do get a cold period the tent city could become extremely dangerous.

It's like there is an intentionally organised plan to abuse asylum seekers and to cause a scandal. The moron politicians will probably blame issues on climate change though 🤣.

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128851#Comment_122128851

Winter is coming...is that you Ned Stark 😀

Tent City may as well be built on some island off the coast of Donegal.

Maybe if word spread of spending winter in a tent on an island in the Atlantic the number of asylum seekers arriving to these shores might start to drop.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128860#Comment_122128860

Plenty of asylum seekers in a local hotel hardy leave the building at all in winter and when they do they look absolutely miserable. Nice to see them getting out and about the last while and actually looking a bit happier. Can't imagine how a lot of them would cope with an Irish winter in a tent, that would be beyond grim.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128887#Comment_122128887

They could leave?

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128905#Comment_122128905

They could but we invited them in with all sorts of unrealistic promises. After sinking so much money into the people traffickers I'd imagine they feel like they are committed and may not have the money left to try somewhere else.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128917#Comment_122128917

To be honest at this stage it's more likely you tube/Instagram by people from their country leading up unrealistic expectations.

But isn't that the plan, make it grim to try stop people coming?

To be fair they'd probably have a better chance of leaving if they hadn't destroyed their own identification

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128917#Comment_122128917

One of the practical uses of policies of deterrence, particularly as practiced in Denmark which publicised the limited resources for asylum seekers, is that they quite effectively dispel the disinformation disseminated to asylum seekers by traffickers.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128789#Comment_122128789

Ok maybe it is the case that EU negotiations are completely compartmentalized and immigration never gets discussed in broader negotiations on tax, economic agreements or Brexit.

We're still utterly dependent on the EU, and with immigration quite widely presented as an issue where a north/south divide could threaten EU existence...

It's simply very much in our interests that a co-operative solution is found and we would have to be part of that

Articles like the one below have appeared frequently from reliable sources.

https://www.voanews.com/a/immigration-issue-threatesn-to-tear-eu-apart-/4455868.html

_Kaiser_

Harris talking tough on the front of the Sunday Indo with the promises of reviews to welfare and other entitlements alongside the "duh" realisation that Ireland has become a soft spot.

All sounds good and obvious of course but clearly a response to panic that they're going to be rinsed in the Euros and locals.

But, buried at the bottom of page 24 in the Opinion section is another piece from Simon that's more of what we expect really - the old favourites of we must do more, the Euro migration pact is the way, we need migrants, our international obligations and of course, the always present demonstrations of FG insecurity with a pop at SF.

Simon should have stayed quiet really. All he's doing is highlighting again just how out of touch he and his party are on this issue.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122128995#Comment_122128995

Your favourite theory is that if we try limit asylum seekers arriving here the EU will try to impoverish us thus leaving us with less funds to support the asylum seekers we already have?

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122129013#Comment_122129013

Obvious when Harris was the only candidate to seek nomination or receive endorsement for Taoiseach while over a third (and counting) of FG TDs are not rerunning…FF TDs are facilitating this mess too, very quietly sitting in the backseat. Leo read the room just like Bertie did before the economy collapsed in 08, "Cute Hoor" and all that!

My guess, the Euro/Local elections will be watershed moment for some Fine Geal / Fianna fail back-benchers and TDs. Many members will kick up and start posturing for public show, they'll get a pounding at a general election maybe 35% combined share vote vs 43% in 2020. Either both parties will go down fighting together until 2025 to continue the pact or mutiny will start swarming after the June elections, next few months will tell…

boredyooser

https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/124757/ef0c3059-b117-4bfa-a2df-8213bb6a63db.pdf#page=null

It seems almost unbelievably irresponsible towards the Irish people, their children and grandchildren, the economy, and community cohesion for all that somebody would publish this, and translate it into 8 languages. It's an open invitation to the world, not only to rock up, but to circumvent established processes and cheat the system, an invitation to avail of housing, social welfare, and the right to work within 6 months. After reading this, why would anyone bother with legal routes. The entire document is unbelievable.

Foreword from Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth Roderic O’Gorman, T.D.

Direct Provision was established in 1999 as a temporary response to accommodating people seeking International Protection.
In the decades since, it has proven expensive, inefficient, and ill-equipped to respond to shifting trends in international migration. More worryingly, it failed to respect the dignity and human rights of individuals, something which has rightly been subject to criticism from human rights organisations, activists, and those who are in it and have passed through it.

It is for these reasons that Government has decided that a new approach is needed, that will bring an end to Direct Provision and create a new system based on a not-for-profit approach, grounded in the principles of human rights, respect for diversity and respect for privacy and family life.

We are acutely aware that people who apply for International Protection have often arrived in Ireland after fleeing war or persecution and after having undertaken dangerous journeys. Too often, Direct Provision compounded the difficulties faced by those arriving in Ireland. People in Ireland want to be proud of the welcome extended and supports provided to people who come here seeking protection.

This White Paper outlines the new approach that will be developed between now and the end of 2024. It sets out the accommodation options that will be offered to an applicant for International Protection through phased approach that will take account of the length of time that the person is in the International Protection process.

The new system will provide a structure of accommodation and supports that ensures people who are applying for protection are helped integrate into Ireland from day one, with health, housing, education, and employment supports at the core of the new system.

12 A WHITE PAPER TO END DIRECT PROVISION
AND TO ESTABLISH A NEW INTERNATIONAL PROTECTION SUPPORT SERVICE

This new approach will end congregated and institutional living. Instead it focuses on supporting integration from day one. Applicants will initially reside in a Reception and Integration Centre, with own-door or own-room accommodation, where they will be assigned a case-worker and receive wrap-around supports, healthcare and education. Within a short period of time, this support will extend to include access to housing and employment in order to prepare them, and enable them, to live independently within the community.

After a four month period, residents will move to accommodation within the community. This accommodation will be sourced through different strands, with the most appropriate accommodation being identified in conjunction with the individual applicant or family. Through the implementation of the new system, and in its functioning, we will build in mechanisms to ensure the trust of those who are in the system and of the wider public.

The principle of fairness will be embedded in this new approach. Each county will be asked to accommodate applicants for International Protection so that the International Protection accommodation process becomes a standard feature of Irish cities and towns and to ensure that applicants do not become ghettoised in any one area.

The new model is ambitious. Undertaking such transformative change will take time and resources. The process of change will begin in 2021. The first step will be to establish a transition team that will initiate this complex change process. As the development of the new model will involve a range of departments and public bodies, a Programme Board will be chaired by the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (DCEDIY) to oversee the implementation of the change process. Recognising that the new approach will involve NGOs, communities and former residents, they will be represented on the Programme Board. In view of the complexity of the change proposed, the Programme Board will also include experts in human rights, in the development of change processes and in significant capital programmes.

It is right that we are ambitious. Ireland should be recognised as a country which extends compassion, support, and understanding to those who are in need. Ultimately, we will not succeed as a nation unless we care for the most vulnerable in our country, and that includes those who come here seeking our protection. In making a home here, people seeking protection strengthen and enrich our communities, and as a State, we have a responsibility to support their integration from day one.

zell12

Peter Casey says that tented villages will sprout elsewhere and believes that the tents fiasco could have a negative impact on tourism and hospitality industry, and the CTA between UK-Ireland.

https://galwaybayfm.ie/local-elections/euro-elections-candidate-peter-casey-warns-dublin-tent-crisis-will-spread-across-ireland/

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122129244#Comment_122129244

The.difference in two completely different things? if you are going to compare the UK government website about claiming asylum, you should compare it to the Irish government website about claiming asylum, not some white paper that is never read by anyone inside Ireland let alone asylum seekers in a different country.

ooter

The Europa league final in on in Lansdowne road in a few weeks time, if these lads have any sense at all they'll start pitching tents outside the stadium, they'll get accommodated faster than you can say roderic o'gorman.