Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

supermans ghost

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122118697#Comment_122118697

I think you nailed it with that post, it’s as you say unfathomable to think that we have a government that would continue down this path, knowing as we do that this type of uncontrolled mass immigration has had disastrous affects on other countries like Sweden and Denmark (who have now changed course). It’s amazing to think, first it was 800 years of British rule, then it was 80 years of the Catholic Church and now we seem to have handed the country over to these Globalists. It must be something in the Irish DNA that we feel the need to be subservient at all times.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122124887#Comment_122124887

I think the fixing many people are looking for doesn’t involve moving the issue down the road our into a hotel or a nursing home … as I’m sure you know.

Indestructable

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122124887#Comment_122124887

They've done **** all to fix it though. The next one will spring up in the next few days. The route cause is not being addressed.

nachouser

I give up:-) Have a good one.

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122124901#Comment_122124901

Absolutely, fortunately the asylum policies adopted by Sweden and Denmark provide a blueprint for us to follow.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122124916#Comment_122124916

it’s not an airport, no need to announce your departure lol.

But in all seriousness, moving a problem around is not solving a problem - maybe it’s the narrative because it’s common sense and a consensus?

_Kaiser_

Fundamentally, the issue here is threefold:

• A weak Government (which seems to only get worse with every reshuffle over the past 13 years) that has members more interested in social media grandstanding and virtue signalling, and bending the knee to the whims of our EU "friends" than representing the interests and needs of this country and its citizens.
• Tens of thousands of economic migrants who are abusing our weak immigration controls and generosity by posing as refugees and asylum seekers - demonstrating a fundamental dishonesty and disrespect for Ireland from the off, and simultaneously undermining genuine cases of such, and stealing finite and limited resources that could otherwise be used to help those who actually deserve our support.
• An indigenous group of well-funded "charity" groups who are making a fortune from this industry that's arisen, supplemented/enabled by naive people who believe that we owe these economic chancers something, and that they will be so appreciative of our help and respectful of our ways that it'll all be one big happy multicultural utopia in the end.

The problems with this of course are that no one asked the rest of the citizens if they were happy to support this half-considered crusade to save everyone who arrives with a sad story - at the expense of those same citizens who are struggling to deal with the existing and worsening problems we already had, and at the cost of them having to step aside to let the new arrivals receive the benefits and supports of the State first.

The other problem is that many of the new arrivals are here solely for themselves. They don't want to be Irish, to give up their existing ways, and to live by our rules - they're only here for what our country can offer them. That's also why they freely admit to arriving from the UK or France or via half of Europe. Why wouldn't they? They're here for a better life for themselves.

To a point that's understandable, but then they're not asylum seekers or refugees fleeing persecution are they? They're deliberately circumventing what controls we do have because it's all about what they want and they need. That alone should disqualify them from any assistance and "entitle" them to a plane trip back to wherever they last departed from.

As I said though, it also highlights the lack of respect they have for our country. They don't want to integrate. They want what we have, and to live how they desire, and the stupidity of the modern Western mindset means that the gate is wide open to abuse while misguided idealists and ideologues pressure the authorities and muddy the necessary conversations to enable it. The irony of course is that these "enlightened liberal progressive" attitudes are the first to fall in the cultures we are now welcoming with open arms. In reality, rather than being recognised for our generosity, we're seen by many as gullible fools to be exploited.

Immigration and multiculturalism could work to be fair, but only when the benefits are for both hosts and the new arrivals, when robust and efficient controls exist to manage not only the intake but who qualifies, as well as ensuring that no one group is favoured or disadvantaged over another. Unfortunately however, such a system and place doesn't yet exist and I doubt a small struggling island on the edge of Europe will be the one to break the mold and the all too familiar unfortunate pattern we've seen already elsewhere.

Kingslayer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122124901#Comment_122124901

Well the last two examples were down to the governments in power at the time. The ordinary irish people have had very little say on what happens to us down through the years.

Sunjava

We could really do with Vincent Browne grilling our elected gobshytes and sponsored NGOs.

Repro212

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122124712#Comment_122124712

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122124350#Comment_122124350

Rather than a do-gooder challenging the state, could there be any scope for some kind of test case legal action on behalf of the Irish people who have been and continue to be discriminated against given this government is prioritising the housing needs of those they have actively encouraged to come here?

gral6

Tents, full of refugees, are growing like mushrooms after a rain in Dublin. Government are only encouraging for more to come

nachouser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122124974#Comment_122124974

So, all the people I work with who are not originally from Ireland fall into that category, yeah? That's a ridiculous post.

cute geoge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125261#Comment_122125261

What Ngo that helps these refugees do you actually work with??

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122124813#Comment_122124813

I'm not sure what you're advocating in this particular case, but it's usually that we follow the Danish approach.

As the reference I shared just now shows, Denmark is not in compliance with EU asylum policy.

Were the EU to leverage Ireland to stay in compliance, which is far more pressing now than when Denmark chose it's path, it could quite easily target our tax policies.

We are very much an outlier in terms of how we deal with MNCs and how many are headquartered here. It would be to the benefit of other members states for our yearly 'windfall' to be shared.

Furze99

Anyone hear Rich Boy Barrett on the news at one today? Rich Boy is of the firm opinion that we have a duty to house every single arrival looking for asylum. And that is that.

Remember Rich Boy and PBP when you go to vote.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125309#Comment_122125309

The EU can not pressure us any more than they already are in relation to tax harmonisation and the distribution of IP related taxes.

They already take issue with our tax policies, a change of asylum policy will not change that.

If you think the EU could be coming at us harder but aren't out of kindness then you are having a laugh

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122933#Comment_122122933

I don't know what you don't get about this.

This is the dictionary definition of deportation...

to force someone to leave a country, especially someone who has no legal right to be there or who has broken the law

Whether the person is forced to leave the country by deportation order, or the disgustingly cruel coercive force used against those 2 and 4 year old Irish citizens, is irrelevant.

A deportation is a deportation.

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125309#Comment_122125309

Would you be able to provide evidence of the EU employing retributive policies, in different policy areas e.g. tax reform, as a response to immigration policy in Denmark, or in Sweden which has adopted various aspects of the Danish model? It is absolutely ridiculous.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125425#Comment_122125425

Were we not utterly dependent on those same tax policies maybe we could try your theory.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125431#Comment_122125431

The children had an option to stay they were not forced to leave the country. QED, not a deportation.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125309#Comment_122125309

A fall in corporation tax mightn't be the worst thing. Add a dose of reality and necessitate a real tightening of the belt. Cut out the fat, reduce funding to the mushrooming NGO sector bill and let them rely on fundraising from the public. A good test to see if their work is of real value to society.

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125434#Comment_122125434

Yes, Novo the biggest company in Europe based in DK, came from nowhere

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125425#Comment_122125425

Indeed, the EU is invested in enacting tax reform regardless, it was resistance from multiple Member States that diluted the proposed ‘formulary apportionment’ model. The idea that the EU would enact bloc-wide tax reform as a response to Ireland adopting asylum policies currently practiced in other Member States is ridiculous.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122125261#Comment_122125261

Only if they're here under false pretences - economic migrants posing as refugees or asylum seekers.

If they're migrants who arrived here legally with visas or EU citizenship, with jobs to take up, the ability to support themselves and skills to offer, and who have integrated into their new host communities in a positive way, then fair play to them.

I'm sure you know that though, despite the attempt to conflate these legal migrants with the chancers and scammers I referred to in the post above.

star61

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122124149#Comment_122124149

Honestly…. this is how you see Irish Women??
Are these women ( as there so many ) in your immediate circle? I wonder what if the Irish women that you engage with daily have an idea of your opinions on them. I’m quite taken aback. What is your opinion on Irish Men ….

nachouser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122126126#Comment_122126126

Nah, you just used the word "new". The rest of your integrate stuff applies to non "new" people and people who have been here for years legally. You seemingly don't won't immigrants. But that's fine.

Beasty

This thread is about Ireland's Refugee policy. It is not a general immigration thread and it will be closed as the previous immigration thread was if posters continue to try and push it in that direction

creeper1

The irony is these young men coming from safe countries are very soon going to be putting themselves in genuinely dangerous situations.

There are areas in Dublin I would not go at night never mind camp.

I have a feeling something pretty bad is going to end up happening.

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122123353#Comment_122123353

There's alot in your comment which is not quite related to mine but I'll endevour to answer.

We cannot say for sure what the intent of any particular comment is only interpret. It's best to interpret on a neutral basis as you can eventually build a book that will lead you in the correct direction to evidentiary

The writer correctly draws attention to the gender bias in the NGO sector and that their representatives continually are women, same representatives will very typically have a BA and possibly an MA, very very very rarely a BSc or BEng, further same representatives will be middle age, middle class, middle to upper income, live in a nice middle class area.

Towit with possibly two exceptions they will have never experienced the things they continually put the public on edge over and they are compromised because it is against their interests to actually solve the problem

This is not to say they have nefarious intent but they are subliminally compromised, their interests are the continuation of the problem and to increasingly add to the intensity, para-hysteria and fear complex to maintain their profile and funding

People outside this sector which I speculate with great confidence is 99% of the nation who do not have the luxuries they have; have obtained education and professional standards at an order of magnitude to theirs will rightly feel patronized and be critical of a continually irrational emotive based approach to a problem and the people presenting such an approach

At 15 is where the path of your formal education diverges where you choose a path of arts or you choose a path of science with the corresponding side being guillotined

Ah yes 'othering' when you don't like an accurate description, attack the act of describing accurately itself. This is a discredited tactic to shut down speech when an evidentiary refutation is not possible. There is a significant amount of young women in the UK that would not have been the subject of rape and abuse if The Home Office wasn't afraid of highlighting that particular ethnic and nationality group was directly responsible for this rape and abuse

I made no reference to what liberal people do or what liberal people think, I made no reference to ascribe all faults to liberal people. Both sides hold responsibility for making mistakes as does the center ground for being indecisive.

How you get to the Nazis from there I do not see but the Nazi's despite being called National Socialists were right wing. Right wing ideology is pro unconstrained immigration and labour supply because it undermines the citizens value and emhances corporate profitability.

The Nazi's system of government also included Fascism-persecution of particular groups. With the state actively undermining theexisting population's ability to afford and retain housing and their value of labour availability by awarding work permits after 6 - 9 months;

there is a very strong argument that The State and supported NGOs fufill all the traits of Nazis

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122123484#Comment_122123484

Arthur correctly states the problem is never going away but it is your total cost that's important €400k x 1000 is significantly cheaper than €35k x 30,000

For any problem that is unavoidable you must spend money on prevention and deterrence and this is always significantly cheaper than dealing with the consequences