Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

StrawbsM

Coole, Co Westmeath got woken up about 4am this morning by the sound of a large convoy of a crane, 18 large modular homes on Lorrie’s and all the other transport that goes with setting them all up.

Population is around 200 plus 100 asylum seekers already housed in new apartment complex.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148045#Comment_122148045

This government doesn't do plans.

Just vacuous announcements.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148166#Comment_122148166

Would be interesting to know were the locals aware of this happening but either way it's so **** sickening the money spent on this and the urgency we're seeing. Where has this same urgency been for the Irish Tax Payers, to build houses, to fix the broken Health Services etc.

It's just beyond a joke and I implore posters do not vote for this abysmal government in the local and European elections.

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148166#Comment_122148166

was that out of the blue or were they expecting that to happen?

ooter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148166#Comment_122148166

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https://twitter.com/kenkin100/status/1791361127420449130?t=0xnv8zpNICFVOR1rLbTxYw&s=19

StrawbsM

I’m not from anywhere near the area so just heard about it from Twitter. That’s some convoy ^^^^

Panthro

Has there been any national protests over this? I see plenty of local protests but their not getting much air time. Has there been any combined efforts to protest the Dail on the issue?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122147611#Comment_122147611

But the two are not connected. 26 to 34 year olds are not competing with asylum seekers to rent accommodation or to buy their own house. That is the major (domestic) housing crisis you are describing.

Panthro

Jesus just looking at the Coole vids on Facebook.

You have to think that Ireland is being planted. And the govt don't appear to give a single fcuk.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148162#Comment_122148162

It is a regular theme on here to criticise asylum policy on the basis that there is a housing crisis and that asylum seekers exacerbate that as well as requiring resources like school places, medical appointments etc. In other words, the arrival of a group of foreign people who take up space and resources in ways that present certain detrimental effects to the native population.

You can't just evoke that point and obtusely assert that there is absolutely no comparison with Irish migrants in places like Australia (where there is a housing crisis too and Irish migrants are every bit as much a source of housing demand that is also pricing out Australian citizens) — just because Irish migrants aren't asylum seekers or illegal migrants.

People seem to just lose their minds over that on here. "Yeah but they're legal!" / "They aren't claiming asylum!" / "They work and contribute!" — this is what gets chucked back at you as if you were ever suggesting otherwise. The same negative things argued to be caused or exacerbated by the presence of asylum seekers or illegal migrants in Ireland — well — don't f**king dare point to the fact that by the consistent application of that logoic, Irish migrants can also be said to be part of the cause or to be exacerbating problems faced by natives in the countries hosting Irish migrants.

I await the "Yeah but they're legal so there's no comparison whatsoever" cop out.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148050#Comment_122148050

So we can conclude that you can't have an IPA camp in either the 'leafy suburbs' or beside a traveller halting site. Not tolerated. Interesting to see what these normally opposing ends in society have in common!

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148134#Comment_122148134

The 'University of Amsterdam' study is very much far-right propaganda, as has been discussed here repeatedly.

It's self published for a start, and the University of Amsterdam have tried to have their logos removed from the article, having given access to some of their datasets.

Apart from the authors own website it's only shown up on far-right sights, including one particular nasty eugenics type journal, the founder of which liked to claim the Irish 'race' was less intelligent based on his own discredited research.

Of course you're free to buy into that type of nasty BS as much as you like, but it's not a good look, especially for someone claiming to have Irish interests at heart.

BlueSkyDreams

Thornton Hall ready in 4 to 6 weeks to accommodate asylum seekers.

Does anyone know how many people it will be able to accommodate and if wraparound services, including IPA processing services, will be included?

iamwhoiam

Instead of building modular homes for the homeless in hotels , women and children etc and freeing up their hotel rooms they choose this route ,.Then they get thick because people complain at the glaring unfairness of this " plan "

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148310#Comment_122148310

One end buys their way out, the other burns.

StrawbsM

If governments keep on this trajectory, in 5 years time the entire county will resemble a refugee camp.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148271#Comment_122148271

Of course they are partially connected and it's galling to see the idea being trotted out that they're not. We have 26-34 yr olds at home who would love to be able to rent at a reasonable rent or eventually purchase. What we see is a government who is so busy housing the 1000s turning up since we have a supposed legal obligation to do this. And forgetting their primary duty to their own citizens first. A government buying up properties, competing on the open market against young purchasers. Using this generations own taxes to outbid them and buy up housing to give away. A government hell bent on driving up our population by both legal and illegal immigration. A government pouring petrol on an already tight housing supply with ridiculous rents. All these 'Luckys' in IPA camps will soon be out and about and shaking up with dozens of others in rentals, competing for housing and work. The view you express is remote from reality and public anger and is exactly why this current crowd are going to get an almighty boot up the arse come the June elections.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148134#Comment_122148134

Stop with the misinformation. Your position stating that "nobody has an issue with people coming here to work" is completely incorrect. You either haven't been reading this thread, or you are deliberate pretending posts made in this thread don't exist. This was posted on the previous page and has 33 thanks.

We're sound, happy to meet & sorry to part … until it starts to affect us. Do the sums.

It's quite conceivable that we could be looking at 50,000 non nationals coming to Ireland annually, between those with valid work visas, asylum seekers and temporary war refugees.

If each one of those 50,000 brings in just one extra person - spouse, child etc - that's 100,000 sooner or later.

Over 10 tens years that's 1,000,000 non nationals living here.

These people are often young, fertile and will have children. Even with a reproduction rate of 1, that will soon be 2,000,000 and quadruple to 4,000,000 in a generation.

You could have a young Irish person now who heads to Aus for a bit of craic, work, experience etc. They couple up, have a child or two and decide in 10 years to come back, so they can rear their children in Ireland. Quite common situation.

They'd be coming back to a totally different Ireland, with a vastly changed demographic and the way of life they remember only existing in pockets.

This is not xenophobia, it's a very real and likely prospect. If that's what we want, well we should accept it. If it's not what we want, we'd better start doing something about it quick. What would be good is if the political elite actually established what way we see Ireland developing and not just lecturing us that 'we don't understand'..

fran38

The plan is to create chaos so as to confuse us. Look, theres a lot of info on the internet if people have interest in looking this stuff up. I apologise for the colourful language last night.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148308#Comment_122148308

Yeah but they're legal so there's no comparison. And it ain't a cop out :)

cmac2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148166#Comment_122148166

Presume they were arriving at that time to avoid the traffic. No other reason surely to be sneaking in in the middle of the night.

klose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148310#Comment_122148310

I am against these mass units sites as much as anyone but those travellers in that site use said field to run their horses and run drugs from so that’s the only reason they’re causing trouble, they’re an absolute drain on Clonmel spreading drugs around the town. Another topic for another day obviously that.

Again, it was clear that this would happen putting the units in this field, it’s only the start of it, if the units get put up I’ve no doubt the travellers will burn em down that night.

ooter

Interesting comment on one of those coole videos, they're trying to speak to the local landowner (I presume) to find out why he's allowing this to happen on his land and someone says "he's in with troy."

tom23

Ah Roberto Troy the hardest working TD there is. Had his fingers in so many pies he could of done with a third hand grafted on to his body somewhere.

Good luck with that.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148362#Comment_122148362

Asylum seekers are being sent to places like Crooksling and Thornton Hall, as well as emergency accommodation places around the country, plus hotels. This has hardly anything to do with 26 to 34 year olds not being able to rent an apartment or rent or buy their own home. As recently as early to mid 2021, there were hardly any asylum seekers entering the country at all - and the domestic housing crisis was a huge thing at that point.

boetstark

I agree with you that fleeing from one country to another as an asylum seeker / IPA / refugee or whateveryou want to call them , this is legal.

But how many do we take before the ship sinks from the pure weight of numbers ? The government strategy is clueless and without logic.

NGO's and some on here are advocating sure let whoever wants to come here rock up and apply for asylum. That's fine if we had the laws etc to deport the fraudulent applicants. But we don't and the stats from last few years prove that out with the famous Leave to Remain clause. So in theory majority that arrive here stay here.

Now my point is do we stop now or keep going till the whole thing goes up the s#itter and take the usual irish attitude, we didn't see this coming.

Pa straight answer.l

ooter

They look nice anyway, wouldn't say they're cheap either.

https://www.taggarthomes.com/modular

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122144918#Comment_122144918

Jesus. 2 for 2!! I’d vote for you if you were running. If only our politicians had your common sense.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148476#Comment_122148476

There's literally a government tender out for private properties. There are housing estate developments being shot up without planning permission to cash in on IPA's.

Up to 30k per year coming in over the next few years, where do you think they're all going to end up? Take your head out of the sand. 26-34 year olds are way down the developer food chain now.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122145213#Comment_122145213

“We have also not found ourselves in the path of any huge disaster, genocide, invasion etc.”

Maybe read a history book.