Is alcohol an excuse?

Patches oHoulihan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120289816#Comment_120289816

I have no social life as I dont drink? Are you 12?

What do you class as a social life? Going out and getting pissed, spending a fortune and losing days with a hangover for the pleasure?

I will repeat there are no positives to alcohol. At all. You can still have fun and have a fulfilling existence without it.

if you cant enjoy your life without alcohol then I suggest you are the one with the problem - using alcohol to mask your shortcomings in personality.

Good luck

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120323858#Comment_120323858

I never said you have no social life, I said your post makes you sound like you have no social life. You don't seem to understand the absolute fact that alcohol makes life better for over a billion people. You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between 4 or 5 drinks and the people who cross the line. I understand the damage it does when you cross the line which millions cross. The positives as well as the negatives are clear to people who are able to have an honest discussion about the topic. I have no shortcomings in my personality, I don't make nonsense statements like you did above

sporina

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120323858#Comment_120323858

I have no social life as I dont drink? Are you 12?

do 12 yr olds drink alcohol?

Potential-Monke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120328112#Comment_120328112

Yes. Yes they do.

slither12

Correct me if I'm wrong but afaik, there's no legal age for consuming alcohol, only purchasing it.

Large bottle small glass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120324649#Comment_120324649

I like a drink as much as anyone; but I'm pretty sure there is consensus that 4 or 5 drink (which I take you mean pints/ shots or whatever and therfore closer to 8-10units) in a single sitting is quantified as binge drinking and harmful.

When I very occasionally (couple of times a year) drink 4 or 5pints I do it with the knowledge that its not without risk to my health and likely to be detrimental to some degree.

I've recently heard an oncologist on the radio state there was no safe level of alcohol and that it was always harmful. I've read plenty studies which say the opposite and many which state alcohol like lots of things has a J shaped relationship with health/mortality. I suspect the bottom of the curve is closer to 1 or 2 pints than 4 or 5.

If your alcohol is in small amounts in good company and with food I'd definitely be slow to cut it if it means a loss of social outlets. We must learn something from Covid.

The original safe level of alcohol recommendations from the UK were plucked out of thin air; Dr Malcolm Kendrick has a quote somewhere online about speaking to one of the committee members.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2017/04/01/what-causes-heart-disease-part-xxix/

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120329391#Comment_120329391

Medical advice would call it a binge but in practical terms people cannot be expected to only have 2 drinks on a night out, that's not going to happen. Having 5 drinks once or twice a month is harmful but if your in good health your body can handle it. Socialising is great for your mental health and it can sometimes be hard to Socialise without alcohol

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120323858#Comment_120323858

Alcohol is a product for consumption and like any other product it can used, overused and abused. To say it has "no positives" is just as extreme as saying you can't enjoy a night out without it.

Hungry Burger

90% of the time drinking makes me merry and more sociable. It can be a useful tool in this regard.

If I’m already in bad form I avoid the drink because it makes me worse, the rare time I get paranoid or angry if I feel someone said something to me I didn’t like or made a smart comment.

Like everything in life it isn’t black or white. Drinking in moderation is fine, even if you do go overboard the odd time.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120160604#Comment_120160604

I smell bs here

mariaalice

A more interesting point is how come, one person knows alcohol exacerbates their chip-on-the-shoulder tendencies/ anger issues/paranoia has the insight to knock alcohol or at least drink at home with the phone locked versus someone who has no insight or interest in how they behave with alcohol.

cj maxx

Most people in my experience who are tools when drunk are also tools sober but hide it better.

sporina

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120337701#Comment_120337701

100%

sporina

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120338871#Comment_120338871

no - they are not.. the anger was there before the alcohol.. I assure you.. but the alcohol exacerbates the situation

elperello

The person in involved makes two bad decisions.

1- To assault their partner.

2- To drink more than they should.

sporina

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120343195#Comment_120343195

nah its there alright - under the surface.. the drink just unleashes it

Graces7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330600#Comment_120330600

Disagree as this is the kind of conniving thing that group are good at, ie not taking full responsibility for their actions...

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120289169#Comment_120289169

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McXEYQuaO2s

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Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120330600#Comment_120330600

If for no other reason than killer drivers hardly ever go to prison in Ireland.

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https://open.spotify.com/episode/2ebY3WNejLNbK47emgjd1E?si=v5E2zET0Rxqn7mKDPQWwoA

Really good science based podcaster(he's a Stanford based neuroscientist) which explains how alcohol acts on our cells and body.

Eye opener for many I would think

cj maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058280392/is-alcohol-an-excuse

ONLY drank excessively at home , pubs , clubs ,weddings and on flights ??? .. Where did he NOT drink excessively ????

Potential-Monke

Well I drank for the first time in over 6 years recently. A "dry run" for a stag so to speak. I'm pretty sure aside from being a bit shouty (I blame the band for being too loud), the worst I did was a slightly cheeky comment to someone selling gaa tickets, and spilling a giant bag of Cheetos over the kitchen floor. Maybe my mates neighbours weren't happy with the 6am finishing time too.

Alcohol excused none of it. And it reminded me of one of the main reason I gave up; 3 days of feeling crap. Not hungover, well, after the first few hours not hungover, but took 3 days for my body to feel normal again. Tis pure poison. But I'll still drink at the stag (as I won't be able to put up with them otherwise), knowing this. Stag, wedding, and then no more for the forseeable.

Regardless of what I could have done, and thankfully I didn't do anything bad, alcohol was the cause but not an excuse.

Oh, and even at the end of the night, I was still gawking at the taste of most alcohol I had. Only a pint of alcoholic sugar tasted ok (a Fat Frog, but not a proper one as Bacardi Breezer is gone, so had to use Club Orange. Worked, but not the same). Reinforces my belief that all base alcohol (not mixed, ie: pints, ciders, spirits, etc) are horrible and we fool ourselves into liking them.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120417964#Comment_120417964

Don't beat yourself up about it, you just overdid it.

After 6 years off the booze you were bound to feel the effects and then you are 6 years older too.

It's only poison if you drink too much, find your level and it's grand.

Imagine if you got into a car and drove at motorway speed on a country back road, you might well say "these cars are dangerous yokes".

If you are drinking those cocktail mixtures maybe have one with no alcohol every second drink and see how that goes. The alcohol free drinks have improved a lot over 6 years too.

If you don't like the taste of certain drinks it's probably best to avoid them but people who do drink them most likely enjoy the taste as part of their drinking experience.

sporina

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120417964#Comment_120417964

the Cheetos incident was definitely caused by your boozing no doubt..

Hotblack Desiato

It's as if some people think there are no options other than "don't drink at all" and "drink until physically incapable of drinking any more" 🙄