Early start to Christmas festivities in Rathkeale (THREADBANS IN OP)

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019933#Comment_120019933

That's not evidence.

There's evidence they don't engage in education. There's evidence that they commit a disproportionate amount of crime based on the numbers that get incarcerated. There's evidence that they abuse animals. There's evidence that they don't hold down employment.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019899#Comment_120019899

i would very much imagine there have been quite a few of hem who have been cleaned out by CAB yes.

but those involved in criminal activity will sometimes make back what they have lost in time.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019944#Comment_120019944

You’d find taking driving instructions from Mr Bean more enlightening, why punish yourself by engaging?

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019944#Comment_120019944

it is evidence.

the employment and education stats are not evidence for your claim however.

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019979#Comment_120019979

https://itmtrav.ie/our-work/education/

2011 census, 1% of travellers have a 3rd level education, 8% completed education to leaving cert level.

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018992#Comment_120018992

 If any of the media organisations had wanted to run one, there was nothing stopping them,...

Do you seriously believe that the Govt would not be able to 'have a word with/ask a favour of/Influence' media organisations in Ireland? Really?

@end of the road

Can you expand on this please - I'll take you off ignore for a bit so I can see your post

Re Casey,

no the majority simply rejected a **** little far right knuckle dragger.

tell me more about the far right bit

jprboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019407#Comment_120019407

That's a gross insult .......... to Inter Cert level poetry ........

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019869#Comment_120019869

Evidence my hole.

But continue...

I'm very interested in the "facts" you're about to produce.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018970#Comment_120018970

I merely stated fact in this post.

This thread subject was about the Rathkeale incident yesterday. Nothing else in your narrative.

If you want to discuss those than start a thread about those subjects.

As someone who was ran off the road last week by a returning Tourist I have expressed an opinion on this matter.

I havent lost the plot as you say just told the truth. Which I have realised no point anymore when it comes to matters like this.

It's been covered since but look at percentages of population/ crime.

I'm not arguing or judging just stating fact.

I'm sick of limerick getting dragged down in the media over this crap. Sick of financing it. Sick of hearing intimidation stories in the University hospital and sick of the lies around it.

If people of any race or creed cant live with respect they should be called out an answerable.

Or are you saying eithnic minorities are not accountable.

Be right back

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020044#Comment_120020044

You'll be waiting..😉

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019029#Comment_120019029

No I did not. And rightly so. Was this the subject of this thread Cherry Orchid I must have misread the title.

Law and order has diminished in this Country over excuses.

Again it's down to percentages of population and crime.

I haven't called out any one or had an opinion on a group.

I merely stated fact.

Another fact is if people used fact and applied it evenly in law we may not be in this situation in either case.

Giving society groups preferential treatment and glossing over issues to appear PC in the media is clearly not working.

In a simplistic case here even pass through Rathkeale with no car tax tomorrow vs one of the Tourists there from early December to February with addresses in Rathkeale driving English registered cars with no road tax or customs payment here.

See who gets the heaviest road traffic fines.

Ten of Swords

Mod - Thread seems to be heading in a predictable direction. Some posters are posting in good faith so it can stay open but some of you really need to reign it in.

Can we discuss the incident itself and related issues rather than make generalizations or fantasize about what some people would like to do to travellers if they were permitted.

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@Still stihl waters 3

@DarkJager21

@I Blame Sheeple

@StevenToast

@billyhead

maebee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019978#Comment_120019978

My tuppence worth on our ethnic Irishmen. A few years ago we were in the departure lounge in Dubrovnik airport on a flight home from Cavtat to Dublin. OH and I were surrounded by our ethnic Irish countrymen who were travelling home from a pilgrimage to Medjugorje. They caused mayhem. Their 7, 8 and 9 year old kids were put into the Duty Free by their parents and they riffled it. Small kids running around the departure area with stolen fags and liquor. The Airport Police were on their case which caused mayhem and eventually it was sorted. In the Departure Lounge, almost every single "traveller" had a pillow, which they "brought" from their hotel. We felt really really ashamed to be Irish that day. To add, they all piled onto the plane with massive crucifixes, from their pilgrimage. None of these massive crucifixes would fit in the bins. To say that it was a stressful flight is putting it mildly.

stellamere

It must be v frustrating for those travellers who aren't involved in criminality when the entire community get slated on these occasions. I agree that there are plenty of decent travellers, and in the town I'm from one halting site beset by criminality and violence whereas the people from the other site are well regarded. Many of our popular musicians are from travelling backgrounds.

I think when people strongly identify themselves with a group, it's hard for outsiders not to group them all together when members of the group are engaged in criminality and anti social behaviour.

There is a massive disconnect between the 2 communities. The only way things might get better is if both sides are completely honest about their shortcomings. As you pointed out previously, there are plenty of criminals from the settled community and alot of prejudice towards travellers. From the other perspective, people are finding it hard to see what it is about the travellers culture that is worth preserving, as many peoples only experiences with travellers is negative -seeing v.young kids on sulkies on busy roads, que skipping, v. Untidy halting sites. This, together with a perceived sense of entitlement to avail of free housing and other services without paying tax is what causes people to get annoyed. There is also a feeling that members of the settled community are held to much greater account and that their kids would be taken away from them if they on the road or missing school.

It's a difficult one, no magic bullets but there's a lack of leadership.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020346#Comment_120020346

Reminds me of the time I gave a lift to a guy who was hitching. He blessed himself at every grotto, church etc I was well impressed with his piety and reverence ...

I had an Orvis fly fishing reel and fly box full of wet flies in the pocket beside the passenger door.

I dropped him at his destination in Oughterard and drove north...

Arrived at my fishing destination and no reel and fly box. Luckily I had a spare reel and flies in my fishing jacket in the boot.

That guy's prayers were answered because he went away with an expensive reel with expensive fly line and fries.

BagofWeed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020055#Comment_120020055

I never said you personally 'lost the plot'. I agree with your paragraphs as for Limerick, nobody could deny the city itself has improved dramatically although Rathkeale is in the county but the same stuff is going on all over the island so nobody can point the finger at Limerick. People no matter their ethnicity should be accountable for their actions, their ethnicity shouldn't be any consideration.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019632#Comment_120019632

You understand it. And in an ironic twist if it wasn't largely due to bigotry and discrimination in the first place they wouldn't have culturally diverged to the extent where they are viewed by a lot of society and/or by themselves as a separate ethnic group to the rest of us.

carq

Is there a ban on using the word traveller on all media outlets when anything negative comes up now?

Rte report was funny yesterday.

’people with a connection to the town’

’Rival family groups’

I wouldnt mind if they applied the same logic on both sides, but RTE and thejournal have no issue using the word traveller when they run their discrimination articles.

SEPT 23 1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020575#Comment_120020575

the honest ones in the media if there are any left at this stage must feel like absolute fools when they are ordered not to discuss the truth of what they are seeing

Butson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020620#Comment_120020620

Remember after the horrible murder in Tullamore - all men were the problem. We needed to change our ways, all of us.

NIMAN

I must have a different understanding of the word 'culture'.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020620#Comment_120020620

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020346#Comment_120020346

the media are a tribe in Ireland, the vast vast majority are card carrying liberal progressives and fully committed to WOKE doctrine which means believing that minorities are always victims and not held to the same standards of behaviour , used to be the case they were loathe to criticise what we seen frequently from travellers, now they don’t even point out it’s travellers as this would involve the WOKE sin of “ punching down “

the media aren’t afraid of reporting on traveller crime, they just don’t want to, the media are at the vanguard of pushing progressive thought in Ireland and a core tenet is ignoring any shortcomings by minority groups and blaming them on wider society for being intolerant of difference ( tenet of diversity)

journalism is an ex parrot in Ireland , what you see and hear on RTE are activists

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020624#Comment_120020624

Then you had a murder at a graveyard in Kerry earlier this year, and media reports won't mention the perpetrators as being travellers, and travellers being the problem.

Double standards by our media.

Enda Kenny was able to make a grandstand speech in the Dail to make travellers a recognised ethnicity, but the Oireachtas committee on justice won't call Pavee Point in to ask them to get their house in order.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018326#Comment_120018326

Less chance of a fella who lives in the US living beside them than the first two.

Casey won't live beside you either.

Would have been happy to spout any populist slogan to get the votes off the eejits though

Badly Drunk Boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018219#Comment_120018219

Hi(ace)lander? 😉

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019825#Comment_120019825

You have it the wrong way around. It's the travellers who are mistreating us.

I Blame Sheeple

**** your thread ban <Mod Snip>

One week ban from After Hours

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020011#Comment_120020011

Ah would you stop! Sticking “really?” At the end of some conspiracy theory nonsense doesn’t make it true. Your other two posts claimed Government itself didn’t do any polls for the last two weeks. When it was pointed out to you that the Government don’t do these polls at all anyway, you casually shift it to mean the Government prevented other organisations from doing the polls. It’s clear you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.

Hotblack Desiato

@stellamere

There is a massive disconnect between the 2 communities. The only way things might get better is if both sides are completely honest about their shortcomings.

In other words, the exact opposite of the constant Pavee Point "nothing to see here" gobshitery.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021400#Comment_120021400

Pavee Point has issued a statement condemning the violence in Rathkeale.

bluedex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021218#Comment_120021218

That's bang on actually. It's not a perspective you ever see or hear.