Early start to Christmas festivities in Rathkeale (THREADBANS IN OP)

Ennis destroyed by Traveller violence from running battles with machetes to threats for drug debt repayment to horsewhipping of drugdealers up O'Connell street to reports of protection money for premises on the Gort Road to burning of caravans recently to lighting bonfires on graves....the anti-social behaviour is intolerable.

I have no idea what percentage of that community is involved in this criminality, but my heart goes out to the few Travellers men and women I know that hold down 9 to 5 jobs and who are appalled at the behavior of others and those Traveller women who do their best to keep house and home and their kids on the straight and narrow.

Nothing short of mandatory long prison sentences as well as a free hand to CAB, Revenue and DSP to investigate unaccounted for wealth.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019839#Comment_120019839

The stuff in Rathkeale is going on for years. If they were doing it in a significant way there still would not be open showing of wealth by those who have never worked.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019806#Comment_120019806

the bleeding hearts are much better then you and your like, that is just a fact.

you are unable to deal with the fact that your ideals are being destroyed thankfully as they are the pits.

the aspects of traveler culture that are brootle as you say are illegal so have remedies available which are used where and when actually appropriate by the appropriate authorities who are underfunded and understaffed but yet still do what they can.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019836#Comment_120019836

the evidence shows otherwise.

plenty of travelers who are decent and well behaved.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019853#Comment_120019853

of course there would.

cab is never going to get every single piece of wealth gained illegally because the cost and the staff numbers required wouldn't be deliverable or affordable.

so they get what they can in the hope that it will disrupt.

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019869#Comment_120019869

Where is the evidence?

I'll go with the prison occupancy stats posted earlier in the thread.

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019883#Comment_120019883

Is there one of these criminals in Rathkeale who have been cleaned out by CAB? Or, have all of them been given a free pass.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019899#Comment_120019899

Operation Oakleaf.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019892#Comment_120019892

the evidence is as i said the plenty of decent travelers.

both them and the prison stats are not mutually exclusive.

firemansam4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018970#Comment_120018970

What are you going on about here? Of course there is heinous crimes committed across the whole of society and it is rightly condemned by all right thinking citizens.

However the problem here is that within a certain group of society their is a much higher proportion of crime commited as a percentage of that population.

Now I have to say that I find some of the remarks against travellers disturbing on this site.

But people who stick there heads in the sand and pretend their isn't a problem who try and compare to crimes in the settled community are being disingenuous and not actually helping anyone.

The Travelling community do have their own culture, unfortunately that culture means many are brought up differently than the settled community, young boys are brought up to be hard, and taught how to fight at an early age, and unfortunately crime is also a large part of their upbringing. These realities need to be recognised by those who try and deflect any criticism of the problems within the Travelling community.

Thats not to say that all travellers should be tarred with the same brush, ive lived next to travellers and never had any issues with them, however I have also had negative experiences with travellers in my past as well.

Many people will always have a negative opinion of the travelling community because of this, and those who try to pretend their isn't a problem will not change this fact.

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019933#Comment_120019933

That's not evidence.

There's evidence they don't engage in education. There's evidence that they commit a disproportionate amount of crime based on the numbers that get incarcerated. There's evidence that they abuse animals. There's evidence that they don't hold down employment.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019899#Comment_120019899

i would very much imagine there have been quite a few of hem who have been cleaned out by CAB yes.

but those involved in criminal activity will sometimes make back what they have lost in time.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019944#Comment_120019944

You’d find taking driving instructions from Mr Bean more enlightening, why punish yourself by engaging?

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019944#Comment_120019944

it is evidence.

the employment and education stats are not evidence for your claim however.

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019979#Comment_120019979

https://itmtrav.ie/our-work/education/

2011 census, 1% of travellers have a 3rd level education, 8% completed education to leaving cert level.

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018992#Comment_120018992

 If any of the media organisations had wanted to run one, there was nothing stopping them,...

Do you seriously believe that the Govt would not be able to 'have a word with/ask a favour of/Influence' media organisations in Ireland? Really?

@end of the road

Can you expand on this please - I'll take you off ignore for a bit so I can see your post

Re Casey,

no the majority simply rejected a **** little far right knuckle dragger.

tell me more about the far right bit

jprboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019407#Comment_120019407

That's a gross insult .......... to Inter Cert level poetry ........

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019869#Comment_120019869

Evidence my hole.

But continue...

I'm very interested in the "facts" you're about to produce.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018970#Comment_120018970

I merely stated fact in this post.

This thread subject was about the Rathkeale incident yesterday. Nothing else in your narrative.

If you want to discuss those than start a thread about those subjects.

As someone who was ran off the road last week by a returning Tourist I have expressed an opinion on this matter.

I havent lost the plot as you say just told the truth. Which I have realised no point anymore when it comes to matters like this.

It's been covered since but look at percentages of population/ crime.

I'm not arguing or judging just stating fact.

I'm sick of limerick getting dragged down in the media over this crap. Sick of financing it. Sick of hearing intimidation stories in the University hospital and sick of the lies around it.

If people of any race or creed cant live with respect they should be called out an answerable.

Or are you saying eithnic minorities are not accountable.

Be right back

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020044#Comment_120020044

You'll be waiting..😉

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019029#Comment_120019029

No I did not. And rightly so. Was this the subject of this thread Cherry Orchid I must have misread the title.

Law and order has diminished in this Country over excuses.

Again it's down to percentages of population and crime.

I haven't called out any one or had an opinion on a group.

I merely stated fact.

Another fact is if people used fact and applied it evenly in law we may not be in this situation in either case.

Giving society groups preferential treatment and glossing over issues to appear PC in the media is clearly not working.

In a simplistic case here even pass through Rathkeale with no car tax tomorrow vs one of the Tourists there from early December to February with addresses in Rathkeale driving English registered cars with no road tax or customs payment here.

See who gets the heaviest road traffic fines.

Ten of Swords

Mod - Thread seems to be heading in a predictable direction. Some posters are posting in good faith so it can stay open but some of you really need to reign it in.

Can we discuss the incident itself and related issues rather than make generalizations or fantasize about what some people would like to do to travellers if they were permitted.

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@Still stihl waters 3

@DarkJager21

@I Blame Sheeple

@StevenToast

@billyhead

maebee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019978#Comment_120019978

My tuppence worth on our ethnic Irishmen. A few years ago we were in the departure lounge in Dubrovnik airport on a flight home from Cavtat to Dublin. OH and I were surrounded by our ethnic Irish countrymen who were travelling home from a pilgrimage to Medjugorje. They caused mayhem. Their 7, 8 and 9 year old kids were put into the Duty Free by their parents and they riffled it. Small kids running around the departure area with stolen fags and liquor. The Airport Police were on their case which caused mayhem and eventually it was sorted. In the Departure Lounge, almost every single "traveller" had a pillow, which they "brought" from their hotel. We felt really really ashamed to be Irish that day. To add, they all piled onto the plane with massive crucifixes, from their pilgrimage. None of these massive crucifixes would fit in the bins. To say that it was a stressful flight is putting it mildly.

stellamere

It must be v frustrating for those travellers who aren't involved in criminality when the entire community get slated on these occasions. I agree that there are plenty of decent travellers, and in the town I'm from one halting site beset by criminality and violence whereas the people from the other site are well regarded. Many of our popular musicians are from travelling backgrounds.

I think when people strongly identify themselves with a group, it's hard for outsiders not to group them all together when members of the group are engaged in criminality and anti social behaviour.

There is a massive disconnect between the 2 communities. The only way things might get better is if both sides are completely honest about their shortcomings. As you pointed out previously, there are plenty of criminals from the settled community and alot of prejudice towards travellers. From the other perspective, people are finding it hard to see what it is about the travellers culture that is worth preserving, as many peoples only experiences with travellers is negative -seeing v.young kids on sulkies on busy roads, que skipping, v. Untidy halting sites. This, together with a perceived sense of entitlement to avail of free housing and other services without paying tax is what causes people to get annoyed. There is also a feeling that members of the settled community are held to much greater account and that their kids would be taken away from them if they on the road or missing school.

It's a difficult one, no magic bullets but there's a lack of leadership.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020346#Comment_120020346

Reminds me of the time I gave a lift to a guy who was hitching. He blessed himself at every grotto, church etc I was well impressed with his piety and reverence ...

I had an Orvis fly fishing reel and fly box full of wet flies in the pocket beside the passenger door.

I dropped him at his destination in Oughterard and drove north...

Arrived at my fishing destination and no reel and fly box. Luckily I had a spare reel and flies in my fishing jacket in the boot.

That guy's prayers were answered because he went away with an expensive reel with expensive fly line and fries.

BagofWeed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020055#Comment_120020055

I never said you personally 'lost the plot'. I agree with your paragraphs as for Limerick, nobody could deny the city itself has improved dramatically although Rathkeale is in the county but the same stuff is going on all over the island so nobody can point the finger at Limerick. People no matter their ethnicity should be accountable for their actions, their ethnicity shouldn't be any consideration.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019632#Comment_120019632

You understand it. And in an ironic twist if it wasn't largely due to bigotry and discrimination in the first place they wouldn't have culturally diverged to the extent where they are viewed by a lot of society and/or by themselves as a separate ethnic group to the rest of us.

carq

Is there a ban on using the word traveller on all media outlets when anything negative comes up now?

Rte report was funny yesterday.

’people with a connection to the town’

’Rival family groups’

I wouldnt mind if they applied the same logic on both sides, but RTE and thejournal have no issue using the word traveller when they run their discrimination articles.

SEPT 23 1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020575#Comment_120020575

the honest ones in the media if there are any left at this stage must feel like absolute fools when they are ordered not to discuss the truth of what they are seeing

Butson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020620#Comment_120020620

Remember after the horrible murder in Tullamore - all men were the problem. We needed to change our ways, all of us.

NIMAN

I must have a different understanding of the word 'culture'.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020620#Comment_120020620

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020346#Comment_120020346

the media are a tribe in Ireland, the vast vast majority are card carrying liberal progressives and fully committed to WOKE doctrine which means believing that minorities are always victims and not held to the same standards of behaviour , used to be the case they were loathe to criticise what we seen frequently from travellers, now they don’t even point out it’s travellers as this would involve the WOKE sin of “ punching down “

the media aren’t afraid of reporting on traveller crime, they just don’t want to, the media are at the vanguard of pushing progressive thought in Ireland and a core tenet is ignoring any shortcomings by minority groups and blaming them on wider society for being intolerant of difference ( tenet of diversity)

journalism is an ex parrot in Ireland , what you see and hear on RTE are activists

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020624#Comment_120020624

Then you had a murder at a graveyard in Kerry earlier this year, and media reports won't mention the perpetrators as being travellers, and travellers being the problem.

Double standards by our media.

Enda Kenny was able to make a grandstand speech in the Dail to make travellers a recognised ethnicity, but the Oireachtas committee on justice won't call Pavee Point in to ask them to get their house in order.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018326#Comment_120018326

Less chance of a fella who lives in the US living beside them than the first two.

Casey won't live beside you either.

Would have been happy to spout any populist slogan to get the votes off the eejits though

Badly Drunk Boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018219#Comment_120018219

Hi(ace)lander? 😉

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019825#Comment_120019825

You have it the wrong way around. It's the travellers who are mistreating us.

I Blame Sheeple

**** your thread ban <Mod Snip>

One week ban from After Hours

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020011#Comment_120020011

Ah would you stop! Sticking “really?” At the end of some conspiracy theory nonsense doesn’t make it true. Your other two posts claimed Government itself didn’t do any polls for the last two weeks. When it was pointed out to you that the Government don’t do these polls at all anyway, you casually shift it to mean the Government prevented other organisations from doing the polls. It’s clear you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.

Hotblack Desiato

@stellamere

There is a massive disconnect between the 2 communities. The only way things might get better is if both sides are completely honest about their shortcomings.

In other words, the exact opposite of the constant Pavee Point "nothing to see here" gobshitery.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021400#Comment_120021400

Pavee Point has issued a statement condemning the violence in Rathkeale.

bluedex

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021218#Comment_120021218

That's bang on actually. It's not a perspective you ever see or hear.

pauly58

A on a lighter note :

St. Peter was stood by the Pearly Gates when he looked up & saw a group of about fifteen Traveller's coming towards them. "What are we going to do " an Angel next to him gasped, " I'll have to go & ask Jesus " St. Peter replied.

He found Jesus & told him what was happening & what did he want him to do. Jesus thought for a moment & replied " Our religion teaches forgiveness & love your fellow man, so we had better let them in "

" Alright, on your head be it " St. Peter said & off he went. He was back in a few minutes, " They're gone " he said, "What, the Travellers ?" said Jesus, " No" replied St. Peter, " The Gates !!"

Happy Christmas gents.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018351#Comment_120018351

Also don't forget the fact that every political commentator, probably every other politician, every political party, every media outlet were labelling him a racist and bigot.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017815#Comment_120017815

Ah seriously I can't believe you got them to paint a shed for ya.

Kalimah

And God forbid you leave a packet of chewing gum in the bottom of your trolley that you forgot to pay for.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021218#Comment_120021218

you mean some mistreat some.

sure, they do but it's no different to a minority of any other group who misbehave.

tastyt

People dont need to be told how to feel about travellers by some do gooders who think they are above others or somehow morally superior because they are either too thick to realise travellers dont give 2 fcks about them or lucky enough to never have encountered many.

People despise travellers for all the reasons already stated in this thread , theft, animal cruelty, child neglect, grabbing(basically acceptable sexual assault), total disregard for the law or being part of society. Probably worst of all is the gangs of them that prey on elderly people in isolated rural areas. All these things are facts and anyone that denies them is delusional or living up their own hole in some affluent part of the country where the issues that blight many communities arent prevelant.

People dont like travellers because of their experiences with them , no other reason

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

How many arrests and how many cars siezed the other day?

All English regs too.

Grand though, different laws for them.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120019825#Comment_120019825

I there's a row at a church during a funeral or in the cemetery then it's a given that it's Travellers. If the shops in a town have to close because there's a wedding, funeral or baptism taking place then it's Travellers again. I have only seen one row in an airport and guess who it was again??? Blocking roads while sulky racing, guess who?

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120022147#Comment_120022147

so call the gards then.

no point in complaining to me there isn't anything i can do about it.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120022248#Comment_120022248

I thought you might have the usual excuse for them, like they're downtrodden or misunderstood or something.

hayrabit

yep, that's about right 😓

as long as it aint happening where the 'people what matter' , count, then nothing will ever happen 😒

"that's just the way things are now" , like Morgan Freeman said in Shawshank

but make sure to tick the "Settled Irish" box like good citizens, the next time the census rolls around 😂