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Early start to Christmas festivities in Rathkeale (THREADBANS IN OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Do we know who was responsible for the trouble in Rathkeale? Would it be known as a rough spot?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Balanced post. A rare thing.

    I think the only solution is full economic integration but I cannot see it happening. It's the same solution for many social problems really. Problem is that traveller parents do not encourage education and it's difficult for travellers to get decent full time jobs due to legitimate trust issues. Rinse and repeat.

    I remember the satirical RTE radio show Scrap Saturday often did a piece on "Rathkeale, the Mecca of the West" with Dermot Morgan. Very funny, must have been the late 1990s.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    A reminder that it's not a great idea to tar the entirety of any group with the one brush. That's coming from a person who has only ever had 1 positive experience with travellers. The rest, horribly bad, it's still not all of them though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    There are Travelers and a halting site in Maynooth. Never an ounce of trouble to be honest.

    Yes the traveling community has a lot of issues and one of them is a large element of criminality per head of population. It's hard to know what the solution is. Education is key though and ensuring that kids from all backgrounds stay in education to get at least a leaving cert is crucial.

    Remember the idiot from Donegal who wanted to put all travelers into a camp in the Phoenix Park? Dangerous stuff lads. Peter Casey was him name and he wanted to be presidents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    Giving them special ethnic status was a terrible decision. It's made them untouchable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    That hasn't helped them or us from what I've seen. They get treated with kid gloves, we have to put up with it. They have always lived semi-outside the law though. Plenty of settled folks the same of course, some of the biggest scumbags I've seen are teens or early 20's who are not travellers. It seems parenting has taken a nosedive no matter what community you're from. Settled folks perhaps an over-reliance on the school raising their kids, no idea what happened to travellers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    Well yes, I'd expect more scumbags to be not travellers. It's a simple makeup of the total numbers of non travellers v travellers.

    How many travellers is there in Ireland? 30 or 40k is it? Yet they contribute so much violence.

    Giving them special ethnic status means no one will go anywhere near criticising them for fear of being called racist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 838 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Well, they don't pay VRT clearly as the vehicles involved were apparently UK-registered, so wouldn't be surprised if they are avoiding other taxes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 838 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Ironically, the word 'traveller' was deemed by Pavee Point etc to be the correct term to use years back, because expressions like 'gypsy', 'tinker', 'itinerant' were deemed unacceptable. But 'itinerant' simply means a person who travels around a lot, there's nothing offensive about it. Tinker means someone who repairs metal work, pots and pans, etc, which historically is how they made a living, again nothing offensive. It's nothing like using the n word in relation to black people or the f word for LGBT people. It's the behaviour of elements within the community that has made the terms offensive, for the most part.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Good man Gregor, the lazy conspiracy theory followed up with added semantics.

    I'll just leave this here for ya - CT me hole.

    Here's what the 'Far Right' (according to eotr) Casey said - Copied from wiki not sure if links work

    On 17 October, Casey attracted a mixture of criticism and praise when he made comments on the Irish Independent's Floating Voter podcast regarding social housing that was offered to, and refused by, Irish Travellers in Thurles, County Tipperary. Casey described Irish Travellers as "basically people camping in someone else's land" who are "not paying their fair share of taxes in society". There were calls for Casey to withdraw from the race, including from Traveller activist group Pavee Point. Other candidates condemned Casey's comments.[16][17] In the DáilTánaiste Simon Coveney referred to Casey's comments as the "lowest common denominator politics" and defended the Government's decision to recognise Irish Travellers as an ethnic minority in 2017, in contrast to Casey's belief that Irish Travellers share their ethnicity with the general Irish population.[18] 

    Casey described Irish Travellers as "basically people camping in someone else's land" who are "not paying their fair share of taxes in society"

    What a Nazi eh 😃



  • Registered Users Posts: 838 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5



    There was a proposal to ban polls in the week before an election but seems to have been dropped, unless anyone has a more recent update? But yes you are correct that his polling shows a clear upsurge in his support immediately after he made the comments about travellers, which is unlikely to be a coincidence.

    https://www.rte.ie/archives/2021/0705/1233178-opinion-polls-ban-dropped/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,962 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    Hi and welcome to Ireland as it's fairly obvious it's your first day here.

    By tomorrow you will have figured out the answer your question.

    Enjoy your stay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    He was last seen trolling weather threads. People shouldn't bother. He'll be an expert on travellers next.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    I posted a link that said 8% of them graduated with a leaving cert as per the 2011 census. There's no hope of convincing them to stay in school and get a leaving cert without incentivising them, and why should they get further handouts given all the carnage they cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    I worked in a solicitor practice before who had a well known supermarket as a client. The amount of "discrimination" cases taken by the travellers after security guards asked to see the contents of their bags/pockets was ridiculous. And worse was that the supermarket would often settle the case just to get rid of it.

    Security guards are probably told to ignore the ethnic minority now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭TheRiverman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    In 2011 86 travellers completed 3rd level education, in 2016 the figure was about 160, still a tiny percentage, that in itself suggests more and travellers are completing 2nd and 3rd level education.In the space of 5 years it almost doubled.

    I'd imagine that if a parent completes their own education, the value of it will filter down to their children.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    I found it quite funny, to be fair. AH could do with more lads taking the piss and less lads being snarky, angry f*ckers. Not aiming that last part at you by the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Two rival gangs. One was a load of doctors the other architects I believe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭Commoner


    Criminal justice in Ireland is at a crossroads. The election of Leo Varadkar — whose party is aligned with reducing Garda numbers, so that we can continue as a tax haven for big corporations — will make the next two years challenging for proponents of effective policing. This challenge will be felt not only by those on the dwindling Fine Gael base, but also by those living in deteriorating urban enclaves that saw assaults, homicides and shootings spike in the second half of 2022. Most law-enforcement policy is set by government, many of which have acted recently to hamstring cops and hack away at policing budgets, making Ireland one of the lowest number of Police per 100,000 capita in the world

    The attorney general sets the agenda at the Department of Justice, and there is every reason to expect the agenda to go backward.

    Look at the large percent of those arrested for guns and knives are back on the street: In some of these towns and cities, if the progressive-prosecutor movement expands into the government with the appointment of soft-on-crime state solicitors, we could see a decline in the number of cases brought against violent criminals and drug dealers, as well as more leniency when it comes to charging decisions and plea bargaining. We have every reason to expect such a shift to affect crime rates like what we saw in Rathkeale the other day. It's actually happening.

    Varadkar's administration could also decide to further reduce or eliminate government aid to local Garda districts. But denying local Garda equipment will only make it harder for them to do their jobs during a time of increasing violent crime. Varadkar's double speak rhetoric is one would expect to see from far-left police critics. Leo Varadkar has worked to rehabilitate his public image, recasting himself as a “progressive” Taoiseach. These shifts in tone and approach. Public safety hangs on the answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Where is all the money coming from Travellers have to buy Flash Cars , Gold Plated Coffins, Commuion Super Partys etc etc??

    Its not from working anyways!!

    Where we live they control the Drug trade and outside of Dublin they are the biggest players in the 26 Counties.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    WT Cosgrave must be spinning in his grave, but if he is, just dig down and stop his spinning with a few slashes of cemetery machete action.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    The latest in Rathkeale is one crowd last night Burnt the graces/flowers Graves & headstones of the other crowds graves .....no end to their Culture



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,461 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I dont know about that, there are a load of travellers barred from my local Tesco. That is the way to handle the $hits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    I just witnessed the mother and father of all bar brawls. Gardai have now parked two SUVs on the street.

    More cars rammed, machetes, batons.

    Reporting live from a pub in a village close to Rathkeale.

    It's only a Wednesday.

    Culture etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    Is there any of them dead?..........I mean are they ok?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    I'm... dreaming.... of a cultured Christmas


    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Gardai everywhere. I'm annoyed because I've chips ordered and I'm a bit scared to walk up the town. I'll try get a few pics of the wrecked cars.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Village is completely locked down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Those pesky doctors and architects at it again!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    There's a LOT of gards here now. A lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Thoughts and prayers



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    Only way the guards are going to stop this $hit is if one of them dresses up as the ghost of Padre Pio, the virgin mary or Pope JP2 and then demand that they stop their feuding.

    Might work for a day or two.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    I have seen so much culture tonight.

    I am blessed.

    Short vid of aftermath. Don't want to upload bar brawl so as to not get in trouble.

    Oops it's over 50mb. Thanks boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭Be right back




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    About two dozen professionally trained belgian shepherds and their handlers would greatly reduce tensions.

    The good people of Rathkeale are known animal lovers and those furry torpdeos have an amazing calmative effect on them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    I accept my upcoming threadban. <Mod Snip>


    Mod - Banned from AH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Boards, specifically new boards. You're dirt. Can't upload anything except low quality jpges.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    We are nowhere near one of the lowest. We have more police than England, USA, Australia, Norway, Canada and dozens of other countries per 100,000.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭Be right back




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭Be right back




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    The police here are completely defunct in solving the various and numerous illegal activities surrounding this gang. What Ireland needs is a multifunctional nationwide judicial taskforce akin to the likes of the FBI that has access and conjunction to other successful nationwide taskforces such as Revenue and the SCC. That's where this craic has gotten us. Because if the state fails to address this problem, expect way way worse incoming.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler


    Oh they will be along to tell us it was the "settled people" that stole the travellers cars to make it look like they did it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There is no need for anyone to make up false stats to argue that. Anyway Operation Oakleaf is a continuing Garda/CAB/Interpol action against the organised crime gangs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,841 ✭✭✭buried


    What organised crime gangs specifically? Interpol are interested in the organised crime gangs that are holed up in every rural town in Ireland? I seriously doubt it. If they were, the $hitshow you are hearing about tonight in Rathkeale wouldn't be happening.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    It may have been mentioned already about the video of them fighting in the pub, one guy getting knocked out with and bottle to the side of the head and then the guy who hit him jumping on his head as he lay out cold on the ground. Shocking depravity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Any comments from John Connors at all? He's usually quick off the mark when travellers are being discriminated against. All quiet when they are acting like scum.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    More savage thuggery and casual violence from that corner of society again - no surprises there. I feel most sorry for the denizens of Rathkeale that have to put up with this.

    Ireland has a deeply serious problem about the breakdown of law, order and civil society in many deprived and ignored parts of the country and our cities. I was told on very good authority by a senior addiction specialist working in Finglas that between a third and a half of all households in the Western part of that suburb are headed by a drug addict/alcoholic. That’s only counting heads of households, not including other members in active addiction. Yes, the extent of societal breakdown is that bad in parts of Dublin now. Very sad. 😞



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