What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790586#Comment_123790586

I'd have to say I never said they should be able to use female only spaces and they've made a por choice in choosing me as an expert witness. Because I'm not an expert. What would you say in the same scenario?

The question you quoted but didn't attempt to address, is this one: "OK so are there stats to back up your prejudice or not? Not just Ireland, there must be other countries where trans people use changing rooms with straight men misusing the laws to attack women. So, show us."

At least have a crack at addressing the question. If you don't know, you can use say that. It's OK to not pretend to be an expert when you aren't.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790061#Comment_123790061

Helen Lovejoy scale fearmongering

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790061#Comment_123790061

I agree with everything you say (bar the last paragraph) which makes no sense.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790909#Comment_123790909

What do you base that opinion on? Stats or feelings or what?

Hamsterchops

Two jews, each wearing a kippah walk into a catholic church, they both bless themselves, one claims to be a real catholic, the other masquerading as such. Which one is the real catholic, and which one is masquerading.

Bogey Lowenstein

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790701#Comment_123790701

Excellent you are in the same camp as me then: I would say female-only spaces should be preserved for biological females.

To answer your question, I don't know where you could get reliable stats on that, as somebody has asked already is the data even being collected?

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123789737#Comment_123789737

or felt uneasy if an Arab looking fella stepped onto busy public transport post 9-11.

Common sense would say they would be logical reasons to feel 'uneasy' 

Jaysus wept.

Bogey Lowenstein

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791239#Comment_123791239

The one claiming to be a catholic is the phoney.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791290#Comment_123791290

I didn't say female-only spaces should be preserved for biological females.

OK so you've told the jury you think female-only spaces should be preserved for biological females. And they say "based on what evidence? And what are the harms you can evidence from allowing men in womens only spaces?".

Then what do you say?

It was me who asked if there are stats that make the case against trans people in toilets. So we've established (at last) that you don't have any stats so base your opinion on. So back to the original question, what do you base your opinion on?

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790061#Comment_123790061

So the gents has other men in it, but the ladies is deserted apart from the obligatory lurking trans paedo 🙄

It's much more likely to be the other way around. Men don't take as long in the toilet so the ladies on average will have more people in it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790081#Comment_123790081

Non-controversial opinion - Peterson is a shît-stirrer making bank out of thickos by spreading fear and lies.

Also you can't hold an entire group of people responsible for the actions of one person.

Bogey Lowenstein

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791315#Comment_123791315

Common sense.

Let me get it staight now, you do think biological males should be allowed in female-only spaces?

CardF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790117#Comment_123790117

just let them (trans) use the disabled toilets. its mandated to have them in public places.

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791311#Comment_123791311

They are both phonies.

Both identifying as catholics yet neither actually are, even though one identifies as, while the other masquerades.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123790586#Comment_123790586

They have to go somewhere, and are at real risk of getting beaten up in the gents.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791322#Comment_123791322

Ok, so they respond " common sense? You'll need to do better than that. If it was common sense then we wouldn't be holding this imaginary trial. I'm afraid if you can't articulate an argument againt allowing biological males in female-only spaces, we'll likely rule that biological males will be allowed in female-only spaces". Then what do you say?

You don't seem to see any position between the two absolutes. I've said a few times I don't have a strong opinion either way. I've been asking you and some others to give the reasons behind their opinion. It's like pulling teeth. No stats, no syllogism, nothing underpinning the opinion. People with strong arguments based on reason and evidence are quick to point to their reasons and evidence. But getting your reasons for your opinion is like pulling teeth.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791350#Comment_123791350

There are disabled toilets everywhere, just turn disabled toilets in disabled/gender neutral toilets and they can use them solves the problem in a flash.

If they feel so put out by using these toilets then that their issue.Fact is transgender women are no women it's as simple as that so they have to accept some things that are available to women shouldn't be available to them.

I used the disabled toilets all the time when I'm out in public so it's no big deal for transgender women to do likewise.

Bogey Lowenstein

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791377#Comment_123791377

I have given you my opinion, you still refuse to give yours. You say you couldn't care one way or another (which is a total copout) but your posts on the subject don't back that up, they are pro-biological males in female-only spaces.

I think you don't want to nail your colours to the mast so that you can't be pinned down. I also think you are not being genuine.

Bogey Lowenstein

They can go to the toilet that matches their biology, they can use the disabled toilet as was suggested, they can lobby the govt. to create trans toilets.

What they cannot do is enter female-only spaces if they are not a biological female.

@Hotblack Desiato

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791344#Comment_123791344

Was there a point to posting this shîte?

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791336#Comment_123791336

How very inclusive of you… not.

Disabled toilets are often locked and in one famous case, there was even a "disabled toilet" in a Dublin bar which was a fake door leading to nothing. So a trans person has to ask permission to go take a píss, just because people like you are freaked out by their existence. Meanwhile disabled people who actually need that toilet are disadvantaged.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791427#Comment_123791427

Oh I know you've given your opinion. You did that early on. You seem to be unable to give the reasons for your opinion beyond "common sense". You've declined to give the reasons underpinning your opinion every time I've asked. You even fabe up on your hypothetical courtroom scenario as soon as you were asked to give the reasons for your opinion. Is it fair to say you know your opinion, you just

know the reasons for holding that opinion?

Hotblack Desiato

It used to be "common sense" that black people were intellectually inferior to white people, and shouldn't be allowed to donate blood to white people. It used to be "common sense" that all homosexuals were paedophiles. It used to be "common sense" that the world was flat. "Common sense" is the thicko's defence of their prejudice when they have nothing else to go on.

CardF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791689#Comment_123791689

so just change the law so that theyre either not locked or the key is available to trans people too. regulate so theres a universal key type, and you can get a key as a member of the trans or disabled community. (iirc there is a scheme like this already for the disabled)

having to wait for the jax is part of life for all of us.

do you have a better solution?

Cause this one is about 90% perfect. Theres the possibility of a rare clash of schedules, admittedly. But is there ANY other solution that is even half as good? I dont think there is. And I dont think you'll offer it. But lets see.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791783#Comment_123791783

Is the toilets trans people use the most controversial thing about them? Or is it just the wedge issue anti trans people have chosen to make a big deal out of?

CardF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791823#Comment_123791823

i dont know. i always thought it was their 'thing'. i just saw an issue and an obvious compromise.

third toilet right over there, use that. problem solved.

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791664#Comment_123791664

Yep, but it's cryptic …

And as regards toilets, changing rooms, showers etc, I say human biology trumps gender identity.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791874#Comment_123791874

You Though the trans people made toilets their thing? Christ, I'm always surprised by how people are told to find something controversial, and they just commit to it. "Jump", "how high?"

I thought trans people wanted to transition to live as the gender that aligns with their psychology rather than their sex. Toilets are just something anti-trans people get excited about and decided to draw the culture wars battle lines there. But I'll admit I don't really understand transgenderism so if anyone who understands it better has a better explanation, I'm open to it.

CardF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791919#Comment_123791919

really? ok, i always saw the mens toilet as being for men and the womens toilet as being for women. but whatever. so why not just use the third option, use the disabled toilet. we'll rename it. a little compromise. and we can all move on.

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791919#Comment_123791919

"But I'll admit I don't really understand transgenderism so if anyone who understands it better has a better explanation, I'm open to it."

There's quite a good discussion back at #7612/ 13/14/15, or thereabouts. Hope that helps.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123792129#Comment_123792129

Can you link to it? The version of boards I use doesn't have post numbers.